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The Lighter Side / Re: What is your wildest coincidence?
« on: Sunday 26 October 25 13:18 GMT (UK)  »
Not researching my ancestors, but genealogical research, nonetheless.
Some years ago I was researching a murder which occurred in the mid 19th century close to my present day home, with a view to writing an article about it.
When I ran out of contemporary sources, I hit on the idea of trying to find descendants of the murder victim, to see if they could help me in my research, but as is often said, I found it was far more difficult trying to 'trace forward' than back.
I was at home one evening after spending the day making a fruitless search through news archive microfilm, when an old friend and former colleague called to see me at my home.
We had worked together as police constables, and he was now on the C.I.D., at the local police station.
We were both in the mood for a good moan.
I told him about my research, and of the difficulties I was experiencing with it.
When I had finished, he told me his problems.
He had arrested a team of travelling burglars, who had been targetting garages and car workshops everywhere between Cornwall and the Lake District, stealing tools, and valuable equipment. As a result of the arrest, he had recovered hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of stolen property, and he now had to try and reunite this property with its rightful owners.
This task would oblige him to spend the next few days in the office making telephone calls around the country, and he wasn’t looking forward to it. I murmured a few appropriately sympathetic words, and shortly afterwards, he left.
The following morning, I received a telephone call.
It was my friend, speaking from his office at the police station. ‘You will not believe this . . .’ he said  . . .
He went on to tell me he had arrived in his office a few minutes earlier, to start the telephone enquiries he had told me of the night before.
The first number he had dialled was that of a garage in Mawnan Smith, near Falmouth in Cornwall.
A young woman answered the phone.
He introduced himself, told her he was on the C.I.D., and gave the location of his police station.
‘That’s odd’, she replied, ‘one of my ancestors was murdered near there, years ago’.
My friend was talking to the great great grandniece of ‘my’ murder victim.
She was fascinated to hear of my research, and asked my friend to pass on her phone number to me.
She was able to put me in touch with other descendants of the murder victim, many of whom only lived a short walk from my home, and they were able to provide me with a great deal of information.
The article has still to be written!

Write that article! Fascinating story!

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The Lighter Side / Re: What is your wildest coincidence?
« on: Tuesday 14 October 25 22:25 BST (UK)  »
Many years ago my ex and I lived in the same town as his first cousin (they had both moved away from their home area).  The cousin’s wife had her mother visiting, and we got to chatting.  I knew she was from Sussex, as my mother was, and they were both war brides from WW2, both coming to Canada soon after the War. ended, but they did not know each other, but lived only 100 miles apart.

  For some reason, the topic of Vera Lynn came up, and I said, I know someone who’s maiden name was Vera Lynn!  Cousin’s wife’s mother just looked at me and said,  a Vera Lynn was a neighbour of mine in Hove, we knew each other as children.  Comparing notes later this turned out to be the same Vera Lynn my mother had worked in an office with in Brighton.  My mother and Vera both joined the Observer Corps early in the War.  I also visited with Vera on three trips to England.  She ended up in Yorkshire.
No, she was not the famous Vera Lynn, but a very dear person.  What a coincidence that she knew the future mother-in-law of her friend Joyce’s son in law’s cousin, that one day the two families would have a common bond, all those thousands of miles away.

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The Common Room / Re: RC Baptism Sponsors
« on: Thursday 11 September 25 00:03 BST (UK)  »
I have found several cases like this amongst my C of E relatives.

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The Common Room / Re: Did Martin West own his Farm?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 25 21:05 BST (UK)  »
Some kind of long paragrah re West family of Wharfedale (11 miles from Bolton Abbey), too recent, but are any of them yours?

Some buried at the Abbey

Some of these Obit paragraphs / part columns are useful for broadening out family trees.

Wharfedale & Airedale Observer
Otley, Yorkshire, England

16th October 1908

A Wharfedale Veteran.- We regret to announce the death of Mr Joseph West of Bradford, which occurred at his residence at Manchester Road, on Friday, the 9th inst., ...

He was descended from an old Wharfedale family, being the third son of Wm. West (who for upwards of 40 years was a woodman in Bolton Woods), and grandson of the late Martin West, of Bolton Bridge, who lived at the toll-bar. He was born at Beamsley on June 27th, 1827. When a boy he attended Bolton Abbey school, ...

Mr West was married in 1851 at Bierley Church to the daughter of the late Mr Joseph Sagar, the union ...

Several of his ancestors are interred at the Abbey, ...

Mr T. W. West resides at Baildon ...

Mr Frank H. West, is a Printer, residing at Detroit, Michigan, U.S.A., having gone there in 1887.

Mark

Mark, thank you for your help and suggestions and links to resources.
Some of the Wests are likely mine, but not in the direct line, later relatives perhaps.  The name Martin seems to be carried down for a long time, but I need to do some extensive research on the family. 
It's interesting that you mentioned Pickard in the earlier post, as my ancestor, and Martin I's daughter, Ann, married a John Pickard was was born in Ilkley.  Their son Samuel was born in 1766 in Addingham, and he ended up moving to Burnley, where a large number of Pickards established themselves.  On to the 20th century, my father was born there in 1921 (not a Pickard by that point).
When I first found the name Pickard in my family I thought it was connected to Picardy in France (there is a French surname Picard) but it turns out it is a variation of Richard.

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The Lighter Side / Re: What is your wildest coincidence?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 25 19:27 BST (UK)  »
Years ago my daughters were living in Surrey, BC, close to Vancouver.  I had found a relative from Sussex who had died in BC, and as they were going to the main Vancouver library, could they look up his death in the local newspaper on microfilm (I had the date). They did this for me, and it turned out the man had lived on the very street they were living on in Surrey.  Quite a large urban area, so this was quite a coincidence.


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The Common Room / Re: Did Martin West own his Farm?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 25 14:50 BST (UK)  »
I stopped adding to the research because it seemed to be getting too far from your original question.

Francis Shiers died in 1845, aged 59. In 1851 his widow Hannah is a farmer at Hawpike living with her son Benjamin, aged 17. As I mentioned above, the Hagg Head tithe record dates from 1847.

I’m now thinking that the sequence of events was:
Martin West died in 1843 whereupon Francis Shiers took on the lease of Hagg Head, essentially combining two adjoining farms both owned by the D of D.
Francis Shiers died in 1845 but his son Benjamin was too young to inherit (and presumably Hannah couldn’t inherit a lease)
When the 1847 tithe record was made Benjamin was still too young to inherit so the annotation ‘Shiers’ on the records is some sort of shorthand for ‘Executors of Francis Shiers’.

Benjamin Shiers was still a farmer at Hawpike in 1891, but retired before 1901.

Thank you, grateful for any information on the tenancy. 

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The Common Room / Re: Did Martin West own his Farm?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 25 14:11 BST (UK)  »
If the Martin West who was at Hag Head in 1841 was born ~1765, this would be consistent with him being the grandson of the will-making Martin West, so perhaps he was the third life, as suggested in reply #2. Then upon his death the lease was transferred to Francis Shiers?

Where did you find Francis Shiers?  I can't see him living in Bolton Abbey in 1851.

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The Common Room / Re: Did Martin West own his Farm?
« on: Tuesday 09 September 25 14:05 BST (UK)  »
If the Martin West who was at Hag Head in 1841 was born ~1765, this would be consistent with him being the grandson of the will-making Martin West, so perhaps he was the third life, as suggested in reply #2. Then upon his death the lease was transferred to Francis Shiers?

Yes I had done a bit of looking at the later Martins - the one in 1841 is his grandson and that Martin's father was Martin II.  It does seem to fit in with the three lives tenancy.
I did have a peruse through the internet for information on Bolton Abbey - I had noticed the Duke of Devonshire connection.  They still do, am not sure exactly how.
Now I will have to see if I can prove Sarah Spofforth was Martin I's wife.
Thank you for everyone's help.  I've learned a lot.

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The Common Room / Re: Did Martin West own his Farm?
« on: Monday 08 September 25 20:33 BST (UK)  »
Bolton Abbey is not far from Skipton.

Could be he left the lease of the farm? He might have held it for "three lives" (his own, a son and grandson perhaps) and have left the remaining lease to someone else, perhaps a second grandson? I think that was possible.

This is the exact wording on the will: "Item I will that my son Martin with the Leave of the Lord and Owner thereof have the farm where I now dwell."

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