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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Tuesday 08 April 25 13:07 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Alan

Just saw the website you linked to literally 20 mins ago Haven't had a chance to study yet. certainly looks very likely that the Highland clearances would be the catalyst for the move. I also found a Facebook page relating to the genealogy Mull and the surrounding islands. I've sent a request to view. may be another source of information. Cheers

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Monday 07 April 25 20:05 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for all of this help. Outstanding. great community. Agree I need more time to pick the bones out of it. Im starting to think that its unlikely that I'll find Neil's Baptism, but, in the spirit of not leaving any stone unturned I will try and establish what happened to the other McIntyre that joined up with him by re reading the police books at the Tyne and Wear Archives. Just a little story which illustrates things that are sent to frustrate us. When my older cousin started this process many years ago he was quizzing my grandmother about her grandfather Neil. Oh wait a minute she said there is book with his tartans here somewhere and a portrait painting of him. Of she goes to look while my Granda sits in silence. When she can't find them he finally admits that he got sick of them lying around and burned them on the bonfire in the back garden. Oh My!!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Monday 07 April 25 19:51 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Monday 07 April 25 14:59 BST (UK)
Quote from: PatLac on Monday 07 April 25 14:55 BST (UK)
According to the newspaper notice on Neil's death, he joined the police force in 1840 "Mr McIntyre joined the force ... on July 17th, 1840", so his DOB would be 1814 and Alexander's 1812.

If this is right, Alexander McIntyre d. 1848 age 36 in Durham/Lanchester is probably him.

PatLac, Please review your mathematics.

Alexander's year of birth was around 1821.

Yeah I have 11 Documents showing his age 8 of the show him born 1821/1822 with three showing slight variations.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Monday 07 April 25 19:45 BST (UK)  »
Sorry Neale Forget my Canada question (I need to read ahead)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Monday 07 April 25 19:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Monday 07 April 25 01:11 BST (UK)
Children baptised of Alexander McIntyre and Dorothy (McDonald surname only recorded once)
Kilninian and Kilmore
•   Margaret 1799
•   John 1803
•   James 1805
     GAP in records – missing baptisms
•   Flory 1811
•   Mary 1815
     GAP in records – missing baptisms Robert abt 1817, Neil abt 1821, Alexander & Merion
•   Anne (Nancy) 1825

It is quite common for parish records to be incomplete – never recorded or records lost.

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1841 Census: ULVA      Ardskipinish Gometra
(Ardskipinish is a place on the island of Gometra, a small island in the Inner Hebrides of Scotland, located west of Ulva)
MACINTYRE   Robert   M   25   Crofter   born Argyllshire
MACINTYRE   Dorothy   F   60      born  Out of County
MACINTYRE   Mary   F   20   Female Servant   born Argyllshire
MACINTYRE   Merron   F   15      born Argyllshire
MACINTYRE   Nancy   F   14      born Argyllshire
MACINTYRE   John   M   9      born Out of County
MACINNES   Alexander   M   15   Agricultural Labourer   born Argyllshire


It looks as if the father Alexander is deceased by 1841 census, but that detail not included on Neil's marriage.

1851 census Gribun, Mull - Kilfinichen and Kilvickeon
Dorothy MacIntyre 72 born Ross  - Tenant 500 Arable 20 Ac Hill Pasture
Robert MacIntyre 34 son born Ulva
Cathrine MacIntyre 23 daughter-in-law born Kilninian
Dorothy MacIntyre 2 grand-daughter born Gribun
Alexander MacIntyre 1 mth grand-son born Gribun



A number of the children, including the sons Alexander and Robert, and daughter Flora, went to Canada. All three appear to end up in the same Grey County, Ontario - surely not a coincidence. It is possible they travelled together, or soon after each other,  arriving in Canada between 1852 and 1855. Flora died there in 1855.

Again Neale this looks very likely to be the family. It would also mean that there is no baptism shown for Robert either. Maybe just the way of things. Where did you find the information about Canada? Oh and I've just seen what FS referred too  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Monday 07 April 25 19:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Neale1961 on Monday 07 April 25 01:08 BST (UK)
Children of Neil McIntyre and Mary Holmes
Follow a traditional Scottish naming pattern
•   Alexander (named after Father’s father)
•   Benjamin (named after Mother’s father)
•   Dorothy (named after Father’s mother)
•   Sarah
•   Mary Eleanor (named after mother’s mother)
•   John

Yes Neale All correct and Sarah was named after mothers grandmother.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Monday 07 April 25 08:18 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: PatLac on Monday 07 April 25 01:22 BST (UK)
I'm not sure Alexander was Neil's brother. According to some census records in England (still waiting for Smudger's confirmation) his place of birth shows as Glasgow, Lanark.

Wow a lot to pick through here. Re Alexander, I too am now wondering if he was Neil's brother. the 1851 ,61 and 71 show a Alexander McIntyre living in Tynemouth/North Shields on one he is shown as born Glasgow? but he is a labourer not a policeman. When I originally researched the police watch committee record books I followed Neil not Alexander and I am now wondering if Alex left the police. I will have to go back to Tyne and Wear archives to check that. it looks like the Alex on these census returns married Mary Fell in 1848 and Mary died in 1850. If he did leave the police I could send for the marriage cert to get his fathers info. (I didn't see a ref to Lanark Just Glasgow)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Sunday 06 April 25 21:47 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: PatLac on Sunday 06 April 25 21:40 BST (UK)
So this is her

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLSQ-XLQT?lang=en.



Neil's death (have you checked if this has any information on his place of birth?)

DEATH OF AN EX-POLICE Te «.. INSPECTOR. 8 death is announced of Mr Neil McIntyre, former member of the Sunderland

... DEATH OF AN EX-POLICE Te «.. INSPECTOR. 8 death is announced of Mr Neil McIntyre, former member of the Sunderland borough — force, Mr McIntyre joined the force as a on July 17th, 1840. He was made a Se nt in August, 1846, sub-inspector on | ber 11th, ...
Published: Monday 17 August 1891

Newspaper: Sunderland Daily Echo and Shipping Gazette
County: Durham, England

Yes that's her. She was the daughter of another policeman (Neil's Boss :)) She was also Born in Scotland born Kilwinning 1821. her mother was Scottish and her father was English they moved back down here and he joined what I think was the first intake of a formal police force. The police watch committee records are a gold mine of information. Except in Neil's case what I really need to know.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Can anyone tell me what this Scottish town is please
« on: Sunday 06 April 25 21:38 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: PatLac on Sunday 06 April 25 21:33 BST (UK)
Do you have a date of death for his first wife, Mary?

Yes She died in Bishopwearmouth (Sunderland) 23 Sep 1856

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