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Tipperary / Re: Martin COLLINS s/ Martin & Mary/ Margaret MCCARTHY b 1853 Kilcommon Templebeg Ti
« on: Sunday 04 June 17 21:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi
I have tried to reply to this 3 times, I hope it goes through this time!
I was looking up Martin Collins of Kilcommon today as he now appears on my own family tree.
I have searched for him in the parishes of Kilcommon, Newport, Cappamore and Doon and he is not in the birth records for 1852, 1853, or 1854.
Martin married Johanna Carey of Reachurch (also known as Coonmore near Kilcommon) at Kilcommon Parish Church on 9th February 1891. They had the following children:
Edmund 1892, John 1893, Michael 1895 Patrick 1892, Bridget 1891, Mary 1900 and Annie in 1901.
The family appear on the Census for 1911 at House 2 Knockshanbrittas, Glengar. On the census Martin is aged 51 so born in 1860. I have searched again for Martin in 1860  in all of the parishes with no success. Very curiously the family don't appear in the 1901 census. Whether the document has been lost I don't know. Only one of the children appears and that is Patrick who is aged 3 and staying with his maternal grandmother Mary Carey.
My relationship with this family is through Martin's wife Johanna. Her paternal grandparents are my great, great, great grandparents.
It is possible that Martin whether born in 1853 or 1860 was in Australia to marry Eliza Tedford in 1881. Did she die soon afterwards so that he was widowed? Did her Martin dissappear for over 20 years to go back to Ireland? Was he a bigamist or just someone else entirely? If you ever find out I would love to know. Wishing you the best of luck with your search, Fiona
   

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Tipperary / Re: Martin COLLINS s/ Martin & Mary/ Margaret MCCARTHY b 1853 Kilcommon Templebeg Ti
« on: Sunday 01 June 14 17:28 BST (UK)  »
When I was in Dublin I found the following record from Cahir which was the only relevant ones that I could see. There were no Collins records.

February 7th 1854 Marian McCarthy Parents Johannus McCarthy and Mary Neugent, Kilcommon Sponsors Thomas McCarthy and J Gorman

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Tipperary / Re: Thomas Kennedy/Julia Ryan
« on: Saturday 03 May 14 01:23 BST (UK)  »
Maybe yes or aunts and uncles. Have you tried the census to see if they were brought up by their parents or other relatives? Let's see if I can find anything, I will get back to you as soon as I can.

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Tipperary / Re: Thomas Kennedy/Julia Ryan
« on: Saturday 03 May 14 00:46 BST (UK)  »
 I would have gone for Falleen. Not sure why. I am off to Dublin this weekend for my own researching (I live in London) . I have just checked the registers there and it appears that Upperchurch was recording births since 1829. I thought it was much later. I have to check the microfiche for my own records so I will look for you as well. I have written down your information. It may be that the Kilcommon records are still the ones you need to look at but what was worrying me was that Thomas and Julia's children's names bear no relation to their parent's names which is very uncommon. I will record all I find and report back next weekend. Earlier if I get a chance.

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Tipperary / Re: Martin COLLINS s/ Martin & Mary/ Margaret MCCARTHY b 1853 Kilcommon Templebeg Ti
« on: Friday 02 May 14 05:46 BST (UK)  »
How sure are you that these people are really your ancestors. Are they just names from the Internet or do you have concrete proof that they are definitely from your family tree? What information do you have from people you have talked to about where your ancestors came from?

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Tipperary / Re: Thomas Kennedy/Julia Ryan
« on: Wednesday 30 April 14 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Here goes: There are no Julia Ryans recorded in Upperchurch over the few years either side of 1845. This is not too bad as Julia was one of the names used to shorten Johanna, which could also be shortened to Judy or Hanna or even Josie. There are no possible candidates in 1843 or 1844, in 1844 there is one Johanna but in the wrong area. In 1845 there are 2 Johanna Ryans born. One is Johanna Ryan 09/02/1845 to Frank and Margaret Croke in Falleen sponsors John Murray and Mary Ryan. The other is Judy Ryan from Inch born 10/06/1845. Her parents were Michael Ryan and Margaret Duggan. Her sponsors were Larry Ryan and Sally Carr. I know which one I prefer for your ancestor but I will leave it to you to see if there are any clues in this information. I will get back to you tomorrow night if you reply to me. Have a look on Google Maps to see the areas and get an idea to help you. Falleen is now spelt Foileen but Inch is the same spelling today as then.

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Tipperary / Re: Thomas Kennedy/Julia Ryan
« on: Tuesday 29 April 14 22:02 BST (UK)  »
The parish of Upperchurch was administered by Kilcommon Church when your Thomas was born. Thomas was born on 19/01/1838 in a place called Foilduff in Upperchurch. His parents were Thomas Kennedy and Biddy (Bridget) Connors. His birth was sponsored by William Connors and Biddy Curtin. Thomas' parents were not married in Kilcommon which means that Biddy came from outside of the Parish. They had the following children: Brien Kennedy born 23/04/1828 Sp Bartholomew Kennedy and Margaret Kennedy.
Honor Kennedy 08/05/1830 Sp Daniel Kennedy and Honor Kennedy
Judith Kennedy born 27/02/1832 Sp Pat Kennedy and Mary Connors
Bridget Kennedy 25/01/1834 sp Thomas Connors and Bridget Ryan
Patrick Kennedy 11/12/1835 Sp John Kennedy and Mary Ryan
Then Thomas in 1838
Mary Kennedy 04/02/1842 Sp Bat Touhy and Mary Touhy
John Kennedy 05/12/1843 sp Brien Kennedy and Onny Kennedy (I suspect these were Thomas senior's parents as the first two children were named after them)

There is no record of Julia Ryan 1845. Do you have any other information about her especially if Julia was a shortened version of anything. Do you have anything about her at all? Are you sure she was Upperchurch

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Tipperary / Re: COSTELLO & RYAN - Tipperary
« on: Tuesday 29 April 14 20:55 BST (UK)  »
Your Costello family were baptised and married in the following records in Kilcommon Church which was the local church for the Hollyford area at this time. Hollyford parish was administered by the priest at Kilcommon. If you need anymore help please get in touch.

Thomas Costello married Bridget Hayes on 1st March 1892 sp Patrick Davern and Margaret Hayes.
Their children were Thomas born 6/01/1893 sp John Costello and Bridget Carey
Mary 24/07/1894 Sp William Ryan and Elizabeth Green

Thomas Costello Reafadda was born to Thomas Costello and Bridget Ryan in 15/12/1864 Sp John Ryan and Johanna Carey.
Thomas Costello and Bridget Ryan were not married in Kilcommon Church. Their other children were:
Bridget Costello born 08/03/1855 Sp Thomas Ryan and Anne Ryan
John Costello Born 02/11/1857 sp Daniel Ryan and Honora Connell
Mary Costello Born 01/11/1861 Sp Daniel Connell and Mary Costello
Then Thomas was born
Michael was born on 21/05/1866 Sp James Carey and Bridget Ryan - A total of 5 children.

There is no birth record for Thomas Costello who married Bridget Ryan in 1864. The first Costello is recorded in 1816 and the first Costello in Reafadda is 1829. The family are the children of John Costello and Mary Kennedy but they don't appear to be the only Costello family living there at the time. I hope this helps with your research

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Tipperary / Re: Martin COLLINS s/ Martin & Mary/ Margaret MCCARTHY b 1853 Kilcommon Templebeg Ti
« on: Monday 28 April 14 23:44 BST (UK)  »
There is no record of a birth of Martin Collins in Kilcommon Templebeg. The only Martin recorded is in a marriage record. He married Johanna Carew of Rearchurch (not sure what that means) on 09/02/1891 Sp James Ryan and Anne Carew. They had 2 children Edmond B.25/02/1892 Edmond Collins and Bridget Collins and Michael B 13/08/1894 sp John Collins and Susan Carey.
There is no Mary Margaret McCarthy recorded either. The closest is Margaret McCarthy 07/07/1868 to James McCarthy and Sarah Ryan Sp Philip Ryan and Bridge McCormack.
Are you sure it is Kilcommon Templebeg you need? There is another Kilcommon in Tipperary which is in Cahir, South Tipperary. Good luck with your search

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