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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Burials help
« on: Tuesday 31 January 23 15:38 GMT (UK)  »
Was thinking earlier about something that might be significant. The family from what I can gather, were the poorest of the poor. I know in the Valuation Office records, they had no Lesser or landlord. A Genealogist explained to me this meant the property they lived in was so dilapidated they were charged no rent. If they were that poor, isn't it highly likely they were all buried in an unmarked, mass paupers grave? The reason I thought of this is because my half sister's dad , who died in Manchester in 1968, is buried in a mass paupers grave in Stretford Cemetery. I know Patrick owned two asses, or was in the care of them on the day he was caught allowing them to wander on the road. I understand only the very poorest of people owned asses. Could they all be buried in a mass paupers grave ? And all the ones I found on the Family Search website, that are buried together, including one who died literally the day before Patrick, on 26 April 1879, could it be that Patrick is buried in the same place too?

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Burials help
« on: Tuesday 31 January 23 15:16 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for all the replies. I will have to take my time and look over it all.

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Burials help
« on: Monday 30 January 23 11:26 GMT (UK)  »
The Ballyboy churchyard is a Church of Ireland churchyard, and my family were Catholic. The historian said that even though they were Catholic they would still be buried in Ballyboy, which doesn't make sense to me at all. And then I found all the Thomastown records where lots of Briens from Munny are buried.

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Burials help
« on: Monday 30 January 23 11:24 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you. A local amateur historian seemed convinced Patrick Brien would be buried in Ballyboy churchyard. I even went there, looking around it one afternoon. She said the local parish priest would have burial records, but that she had asked him again and again to look through the records, but he never bothered. I even wrote to him myself and he never replied. But then on Family Search I found all these Briens buried in Thomastown. It says they are all from Money/Munny.

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Burials help
« on: Monday 30 January 23 10:51 GMT (UK)  »
Someone I know who lives in Munny ( as it's now spelled) told me there used to be a market in Munny years ago.

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Offaly (Kings) / Re: Burials help
« on: Monday 30 January 23 10:48 GMT (UK)  »
Hello. I'm a dinosaur at posting links to people. This is what it says and where the record was found.  Ireland, Petty Session Court Register 1818-1918. Pat Brien. P.S.Order book CSPS 1/1/268. No. 311. Pat Brien Pensioner. Defendant. "That on 21st day of August 1875 at Thomastown in the Kings County the defendant did allow 2 asses to wander on the public road. Fined one Schilling. " Or words to that effect .

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Offaly (Kings) / Burials help
« on: Sunday 29 January 23 20:51 GMT (UK)  »
Been trying to find where my ancestors are buried for years, but it is proving impossible. My male ancestor, Patrick Brien died in Munny, Parsonstown, Kings County on 26 April 1879. Gives Munny as his address. His wife Anne, Nee Dunne, also from Munny, died in 1912 in Derrinboy. I can understand it being difficult to find where Patrick is buried, but Anne only died in 1912. One of her children, Laurence, died in 1915 and lived at the same address as his mother in Derrinboy. Where on earth would they be buried? Can anyone help? Also. On Family Search I came across a Brien family from Munny, and a lot of them are buried in a churchyard called Thomastown. But I don't think it exists anymore. There is a Thomastown Desmene, or there was. My ancestor, Patrick Brien was also up before Thomastown Courthouse in 1875 for allowing two asses he was in charge of from walking along a road. He was fined one Schilling. So as well as a burial ground, there was also a courthouse in Thomastown. But it is not on any map. I have a book of a map of Offaly from the early 19th century, and this place called Thomastown isn't on it.


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Carlow / Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« on: Monday 29 November 21 13:24 GMT (UK)  »
Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .
I wonder perhaps is this where you got the coal merchant from ?

The address given for his parents looks like Black????? Kildare to me (Blackswood near Prosperous ?)

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634430#page/25/mode/1up
Hello. Many thanks for that info on Coal Market being in fact the name of a street. I would never have guessed that.

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Carlow / Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 21:48 GMT (UK)  »
Yes, this is the correct record for Patrick Brien.

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