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Australia / Re: Deserters of La Cornelie (also Corneille)
« on: Sunday 02 February 25 21:38 GMT (UK)  »
I believe that I have found the identity of Charles Franks. There was a Jean Cloarec born 6 Dec 1838 in Boudouguen in Hanvec to Joseph Cloarec and Marie Catherine Omnes. He had three siblings that I have found so far, Marie b. 1841, Jean Louis b. 1842, and Joseph b. 1845. I had a French DNA match that showed up as a potential 4th cousin and I successfully connected her to Marie Cloarec b. 1841. On his marriage certificate Charles listed his father as a baker named John Franks, whereas Joseph Cloarec was a farmer. I will have to investigate this further but I believe that the DNA does connect Charles Franks to Jean Cloarec.

I suspect that the Jean Clorie listed in the "Seamen Deserters" article was mistranscribed from Jean Cloarec as the note to the paper would have been handwritten as typewriters did not become common use until the mid 1880s. I can see from looking at the name in French birth records that if you were unfamiliar with the name you may mistake the "ec" as an "ie".

Thanks to everybody for their help!

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Europe / Re: Trying to find records of "La Corneille" a French Corvette
« on: Sunday 02 February 25 21:37 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for all your advice joger!

I believe that I have found the identity of Charles Franks. There was a Jean Cloarec born 6 Dec 1838 in Boudouguen in Hanvec to Joseph Cloarec and Marie Catherine Omnes. He had three siblings that I have found so far, Marie b. 1841, Jean Louis b. 1842, and Joseph b. 1845. I had a French DNA match that showed up as a potential 4th cousin and I successfully connected her to Marie Cloarec b. 1841. On his marriage certificate Charles listed his father as a baker named John Franks, whereas Joseph Cloarec was a farmer. I will have to investigate this further but I believe that the DNA does connect Charles Franks to Jean Cloarec.

I suspect that the Jean Clorie listed in the "Seamen Deserters" article was mistranscribed from Jean Cloarec as the note to the paper would have been handwritten as typewriters did not become common use until the mid 1880s. I can see from looking at the name in French birth records that if you were unfamiliar with the name you may mistake the "ec" as an "ie".

Thanks to everybody for their help!

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Europe / Re: Trying to find records of "La Corneille" a French Corvette
« on: Friday 31 January 25 23:47 GMT (UK)  »
That's a great find joger, thank you!

I agree I think Australian newspaper mistyped La Cornelie as Corneille.

Do you know if there are any crewlists available online for French naval ships?

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Australia / Re: Deserters of La Cornelie (also Corneille)
« on: Friday 31 January 25 23:20 GMT (UK)  »
I've had a look into the Perrot family in Temora and will put what I've found here:

Eugene Perrot passed away on the 4 December 1902 in Temora from throat cancer. He went to Temora in the early days of their goldfields, initally being connected to the stationery and tobacco business before entering mining. In his later years he was the Warden's Bailiff of the district.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/215017252?searchTerm=%22eugene%20perrot%22%20temora

Eugene's father was a commandant in the French Army and his brother a captain. His nephew, Joseph, lived in Forbes and was called back to service in the French military in 1881.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/268022492?searchTerm=%22joseph%20perrot%22%20temora

He seems to have married a Mary Bell in 1864 in Forbes as Judith said. At some point he married Esther Ann Eat. Together they had five sons and two daughters - on NSW BDM they are registered with the last name De Pompido. There was Eugene, Leon, Lillian, Evelyn, Frederick, Ernest, and John. Esther ran the Hotel Temora after Eugene's death and later married RJ Cutting moving to Lane Cove.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/143771327?searchTerm=%22eugene%20perrot%22%20temora

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Australia / Re: Deserters of La Cornelie (also Corneille)
« on: Friday 31 January 25 01:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your help with this Judith!

Whereabouts did you find the naturalisation certificate for Eugene Perrot? I'd like to have a look at the original if possible. In some branches of the Franks family, the story about Charles Franks was that he jumped ship with a brother who lived with the Indigenous people in the area - I'm sure that some of it has been exaggerated overtime but I think "the brother", if he existed, may have been one of his crewmates. It would be interesting to see where Eugene said he had lived in his naturalisation certificate and compare with the list of places on Charles Franks' naturalisation record.

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Australia / Re: Deserters of La Cornelie (also Corneille)
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 10:26 GMT (UK)  »
I think it's possible that Charles misremembered the exact year of his arrival as he doesn't include the day. I've found in researching my other ancestors that sometimes the arrival date is off by a few years.

The Cornelie may have come again in 1864 but I haven't been able to find a record of it so far. I'll have another look and see if I can dig up anything.

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Australia / Re: Deserters of La Cornelie (also Corneille)
« on: Thursday 30 January 25 02:50 GMT (UK)  »
That's great you found the record for Eugene Perrot, I'll have to have a look.

Yes, Charles Franks is my ancestor. This is a copy of his naturalisation certificate which states his birthdate and place and arrival: https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=11884

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Australia / Deserters of La Cornelie (also Corneille)
« on: Wednesday 29 January 25 00:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hi everyone,
I'm trying to track down six men's movement who I believe one may be my ancestor. They deserted the French Corvette La Cornelie (also written as Corneille in Aus newspapers) on the 28th November 1861. Their names were:
Ulyn Gantier Ferdinand
Francois Bordure
Victor Murdire
Jean Clorie
Frederick Edward Boujonnier
Eugene Perrot

The article is here: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/225139989?searchTerm=ferdinand

I'm unsure if there could be any more info on them in records and am unsure where to look.

My ancestor Charles Franks wrote in his naturalisation certificate that he was born on the 6 Dec 1839 in Brest, France and arrived in Sydney in December 1864 aboard the Corneille. His naturalisation was made fifty years after his arrival which makes me think La Cornelie is a likely candidate.

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Ireland / Re: Protestant and Catholic branches of a family
« on: Saturday 16 November 24 10:24 GMT (UK)  »
You're doing well Father Jack ;D

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