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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Franklin/Eadon families
« on: Tuesday 31 October 06 20:46 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Bryant,

A reply at last to my request for info! Thank you.

Yes, you have the right information, but Wm. Henry Snr's first son was propbably born just prior to July 1837 as I think his birth would have been traced more easily.

Wm. Hry. Franklin married Ann Corbett (b. 25 Jun 1812). Their children were:

1. John, who was around 14 years old in 1849 when his father died and he ran away from home.
2. Emma, (b. 1838)
3. Eliza, (b. 1843)
4. William Henry, (b. 24 Jan 1846)
5. Esther Ellen, (b. 1849)

William Henry's death certificate states that he was a bootmaker of 12 Upper St. Martin's Lane. I have not found an entry yet in the 1841 census.
The 1851 census records Ann Franklin, a widow, living on parish relief, living in Hart Street with all the children except John.
The 1861 census records Ann Franklin in business in Hart Street as an upholsteress with her growing family and a "fancy worker" employee.
The 1871 census records Ann still living in Hart St., while Wm.Hry. Jnr is living on the Strand with his son, William Henry John Franklin (b. 1870).
The 1881 Census records Wm. Hry. living at 44 Marlee Terrace, Lambeth with his family and a servant. His daughter, Jane Annie (my grandmother) was 14 years old.

Ann Franklin died 12 April 1890 in Red Lion Square, Soho.

William Hnry Jnr. married Jane Eadon (b. 25 Jan 1846 at 36 Regent Street). They were marrried 1 June 1865 in St. Paul's Church, Covent Garden.

Jane's father was indeed Thomas Eadon (b. 1809 in Cogges, Witney, Oxfordshire), a greengrocer, apprenticed as a baker to Joseph Williams (his future father-in-law) of 1 Lambeth Walk, Lambeth before his marriage to Elizabeth (b. 23 Aug 1817 in Chatham, Kent).

The old couple retired to 2, Cumberland Villas, Battersea where they both died.

Jane was the fourth child of 10.

1.  John (b. 1840)
2.  Elizabeth (b. 1842)
3.  Thomas (b. 1842)
4.  Jane (b. 1846)
5.  Annie (b. 1850)
6.  Eliza  (b. 1852)
7.  George (b. 1854)
8.  Charles (b. 1857)
9.  Alice  (b. 1858)
10. Charlotte (b. 1861)

Is this enough info for you at the moment?  Please keep in touch.

Bob.

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Thank you Biker,

Not a great deal of response except that a first cousin contacted me after more than 50 years, so it was well worth my message on your site. Thank you again.

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Derbyshire / Re: The Shaws of Beely, Oaker and Darley Dale
« on: Thursday 01 December 05 20:04 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Gardener and KenH,

I have worked out a line of succession according to alot of the information you have passed along about the Shaw family.  If you want to see it I will try to post it through your email address if you wish.

Regards,

Bob

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Derbyshire / Re: The Shaws of Beely, Oaker and Darley Dale
« on: Thursday 03 November 05 23:30 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you to all of you for the information so far, it has enlightened my searches a great deal and I am so grateful.

Ken, you and my wife, Jennie (Shaw) are probably 4th. cousins and at present live only a few miles and a bit from Middlesborough - nearer than to Darley Dale. Is anyone of the family left in the North Yorkshire area?

Somewhere, and I'm still searching, I thought I found information that Mary Dakin who married John Shaw (27th. Jan 1847 in Elton Chapel, Parish of Youlgrave) re-married sometime later in the 1800's and became a Wright, but I may be mistaken.

Thanks again. Talk to you all later.

Bob

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Dear Casalguidi,

Gosh, that was a quick reply!  Thank you.

That sounds very much like my man! I wonder if he had time to marry.

I am also looking for evidence of what happened just after this date to his other siblings Emily and Mary Ann.  Also the rest of the Franklin family, most of whom went to live in Kent I think. Thanks again.

Bob

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I am searching for the family of Frederick John Holland (Printer & Compositor) (b.13 Nov 1843 @ 16, Thomas Street, Lambeth.) After the death of his father in 1854 he may have been the main stay of the household, but after the 1861 Census, he no longer appears there. Does he appear in anybody's family line-up please?

His father was Frederick King Holland (Printer & Compositor), b. 14 Jul 1805 @ Buckland Newton, Sherborne, Dorset.

His mother was Emily Bowerman (daughter of John Bowerman (butcher) and Ann) b. 27 Dec 1810 @ Christchurch, Southwark, Surrey.

His parents' marriage was on 20 May 1838 @ St. Mary's parish church, Lambeth.

His elder sister was Emily Holland b. 23 Feb 1842 @ 71 Cornwall Road, Lambeth.

His younger sister was Mary Ann Holland b. 9 Sep 1845 @ 16, Thomas Street, Lambeth.

The family moved to 31, Caroline Place, (Copenhagen Road), Islington.

A still younger sister, Ellen E. Holland b. 1850, was recorded in the 1851 Census and appears to have died before the 1861 Census. She was born in Islington.

His father Frederick King Holland died 11 Aug 1854 @ 31, Caroline Place.

His younger brother (my Grandfather) was Henry George King Holland, (Clerk & Secretary) (b. 13 Nov 1854 @ 31, Caroline Place, Islington. Dd. 19 Feb 1938 @ Camberwell).

Henry George King Holland married Jane Annie Franklin (b. 11 Oct 1866 in Melbourne, Victoria, Aus.  Dd. 7 Jul 1951, 81, Ladywell Rd. Lewisham.) on 13 Sep 1894 @ St. Faith's church, Wandsworth. She was the daughter of William Henry Franklin (Publisher) (b. 24 Jan 1846 St. Martin's in the Field) & Jane Eadon (b. 25 Jan 1846 st. John the Evangelist, Westminster.)

Henry and Jane lived in retirement at 95, Glengarry Road, Dulwich

Please, does anyone have connections to this Holland family, or this Franklin family.

Bob Holland.

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Dorset / Re: Dorset King family
« on: Tuesday 04 October 05 14:13 BST (UK)  »
Hello LSF,

As yet I have very little information about my Dorset connections because the links have only just been found. The districts are close, so maybe there is a possibility that the families are the same.

When I do get more info I will try to let you know.

I notice one of your interest names is Winson in Derby or Derbyshire. That name occurs in my wife's family in the village where she was born, near to Ashover. Are you connected there?

Regards

Bob Holland.

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Franklin/Eadon families
« on: Sunday 02 October 05 21:58 BST (UK)  »
I have traced the death of William Henry Franklin of 12, Upper St. Martin's Lane in 1849. He was a bootmaker and died in the King's College Hospital, St Clement Dane of "Trissmuss" (Lock Jaw to us). He was born in 1811 although where is not known at this moment.

It was said that after his death, the eldest child John who was 14 ran away, took the King's Shilling and joined the army as a foot soldier. The family found him, tried to buy him out, but had to settle for buying him commission, the last time that could be done. By now it was 1854 and he went off to the Crimea to loose his life in the Charge of the Light Brigade (or so the family story tells).

William Henry junior married Jane Eadon, a greengrocer's daughter of Regent Street in 1865 and three months later was required by the family to chase Esther, his younger sister, all the way to Melbourne, Australia as she had eloped with an "undesirable" called Marson. This is where my grandmother, Jane Annie Franklin was born on 11th. October 1866.  They came back with her to London, but without Esther whom they could not find.

I have found most of the rest of the Thomas Eadon's family, except that in Witney, Oxford, from where he left as a young lad.

The whereabouts of my father's cousins are mostly in Kent I think.  Where are they?

Has anyone any more info about the earlier origins of this Franklin family please?

Bob Holland

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Derbyshire / The Shaws of Beely, Oaker and Darley Dale
« on: Sunday 02 October 05 17:47 BST (UK)  »
Please does anyone have info on the Shaw family of Oaker, Darley Dale? The family moved there around 1715 from Beely just up the road.
I have George Henry Shaw (b. 1854)(my wife's great granddad) born at Wensley to John Shaw and Mary Dakin ( daughter of Samuel Dakin and Mary of Elton).
George Henry left to go coal mining at Mickley, living on Stretton Hillside, Ainsmoor. The family moved to Handley, Clay Cross, then to Dick Lant near Ashover.
George's brother James went to Chesterfield to work as a foundry worker at Sheepbridge, Whittington.
John's father was also John who farmed at Oaker and his wife was also a Mary. He had a brother James who went to live with his son John at Bolehill, Wirksworth and were limestone merchants. They had a large family.
Further back than this and proving the links with the rest of the family is becoming a little difficult.

Bob Holland

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