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An update. Confirmed my grandfather was married to Joyce Lategan by comparing dates and handwriting on birth war and marriage certificates though my father was not aware of this or that he had a half brother Frederick My father was born in 1933 while James was still married to Jocelyn and my grandparents Marge and James  were later married in 1937 although the 7  had been altered on the certificate to look like a 2! I have made contact with Fredericks daughter my half cousin and with the information we both had we could work it all out....my grandmother would be turning in her grave knowing that we have found out she had a child out of wedlock, she was very 'proper'

The tombstone does not belong to my father  Michael James Madden born 1933. My dad is still alive and well and living in Queensland Australia. I have however got a copy of James Bernards WW1 records and the signature these closely resembles that on the marriage certificate mentioned in the first post above. The signatures are very similar and I am getting a handwriting expert to confirm if they were both signed by the same person. If they are, this means my grandfather was still married to Jocelyn Lategan in 1933 when my father was born to him and my grandmother Marjorie Carey. !!

Michael James  must be a common first name for the Maddens, as my dad Michael James born 1933 is alive and well at 80 years old, now  living in Queensland Australia. I have an extract of my gransfathers birth certificate. How do I go about getting a copy of the original?

Where can I get a copy of these documents, these may reveal a skeleton in the family cupboard. Bernard I think was my grandfather, Am interested that he was obviously married to Jocelyn in 1936, however my father was born in 1933, his mother was Marjorie Thompson.