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Wiltshire / Re: Parish Marriages help...
« on: Tuesday 17 July 18 16:46 BST (UK)  »
Apologies for my mistake - Thomas Hillier,George's putative brother, was baptised in Bishops Cannings! I noticed that George called one of his sons Thomas too.

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Wiltshire / Re: Parish Marriages help...
« on: Tuesday 17 July 18 16:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi Wendy,

I know the area quite well as my grandfather was from Burbage and I visit every so often still.  I'm also the OPC for Easton Royal,Milton Lilbourne and Wootton Rivers.  I had a look at the marriage of William and Mary Hillier you mentioned. Not easy!  Hillier's a very common name in the Pewsey Vale (Grandad Alf's mother was a Hillier).  I found four marriages from 1784 to 1793 which could be possible. Two in 1793 I disregarded as unlikely as they appear to have children within a year of the marriage in their marital village. These were William Hillier and Mary Brice in Collingbourne Ducis and William and Mary Cooper in Upavon.  The third pair,William Hillier and Mary Gee in 1784 in Bromham, don't appear to have children unless they move away from the wedding place. The fourth is the more probable pair. These are William Hillier and Mary Neate in Bishops Cannings on 12 Sep 1785.  Both were of the parish. They appear to have a son Thomas nine months after the marriage in Bromham. It's possible that they then moved to Wilcot but cannot be proved.  George Hillier,as you know,was baptised in Wilcot on 1 Aug 1791. His parents are listed as living in West Stowell. West Stowell is a hamlet that's part of Wilcot.  He appears to be their only child there.

I think it likely that William Hillier,the father,was baptised in Wilcot on 5 Dec 1769,the son of John and Mary of West Stowell.  They also had a son John baptised in Wilcot on 18 Jul 1771 and a daughter Mary (19 Sep 1775). Mary is the likely mother of the illegitimate girl Sarah in 1799.

So Mary Neate is the best choice so far but not necessarily the right one. I've been through all the William Hillier/Hilliard/Helliers etc married to a Mary in the surrounding area so unless William's bride was from over the nearby border with Berkshire or they married in a non-con chapel, we're stuck with her at the moment. 

Sorry I can't be of more help. Good luck!

Regards,

Linda

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Northamptonshire / Re: The Cottage,High Street,Lamport
« on: Thursday 07 July 16 10:38 BST (UK)  »
Good grief!  That is some haunting.  It was very polite of her to disappear when you told her to so she must have been a decent person in life.  Most ghosts,from what I've read, aren't quite so accommodating.

I remember when I was a teenager(many years ago!), my English teacher retired to Borley in Essex.  It had been the location of Borley Rectory, the most haunted house in England until it was burnt down in 1939. We all joked that she should look out for homeless ghosts looking to move in with her. Little did we know that she would acquire a phantom visitor. On a number of occasions, friends and neighbours would see a woman standing outside her cottage, looking in. She would go round the side of the cottage as soon as anyone approached the gate and couldn't be found.  My teacher never saw anything but there was definitely something odd going on.

I'll pass your amazing occurrence on to my Daniels link.  I'll let you know if the family ever mentioned anything similar happening during their tenure.

Many thanks!

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Northamptonshire / Re: The Cottage,High Street,Lamport
« on: Wednesday 06 July 16 20:48 BST (UK)  »
Thanks very much for your reply and information about The Cottage.  Fascinating stuff!  I was trying to trace the Daniels family who had lived there at one time and, fortunately, managed to trace a relative of the family who could help me through another route. I'll pass on your information about the property, if I may.  My contact never lived there herself but I'm sure she would be as interested as I was.  A ghost,indeed!
 

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Wiltshire / Re: John and Robert Bailey
« on: Sunday 08 May 16 11:53 BST (UK)  »
Hi again,Pat,

Both Thomas and Maria were alive and living together in Manningford Bohune in 1851.  Check under Maria BAILY born 1783 in the FindMyPast 1851 census.  He's listed as 66,born in Pewsey, and a pauper and former ag lab and she's listed as 68 and born in Manningford Abbots.  Hope you find it!

Linda

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Wiltshire / Re: John and Robert Bailey
« on: Sunday 08 May 16 10:14 BST (UK)  »
Hi Wentworth,

Thanks for that. It has rather opened up a can of worms! I see that your post came from FindMyPast.  I was using Ancestry to try to find Thomas and Maria.  I tried them by name in Wiltshire in 1841. No joy,so I input Manningford Bohune into the 1841 census collection and up it came.  I went through every name and there were no Baileys listed so I presumed that was that. 

It would appear that Ancestry has missed the first two pages of the Manningford Bohune 1841 census and heaven knows where the other pages are after pages three and four!  Their census starts with John and Emma Ogland who you will see at the top of the page after that featuring the Baileys on FindMyPast.  It makes one wonder how many times this may have happened and could explain the non-appearance of a number of people on our trees.

Interesting stuff.

Linda

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Wiltshire / Re: John and Robert Bailey
« on: Saturday 07 May 16 13:00 BST (UK)  »
Hi again,

The burials listings for the Manningfords and Pewsey post-1837 are not fully transcribed online as yet,to my knowledge.  They are held at the Wiltshire Archives in Chippenham and you would need to email them.  They are very helpful, for a fee.  As Alan very kindly said, it looks as if Maria Bailey died in the Pewsey registration district in 1854. If she were my direct great ancestor,I would order her death certificate from the General Records Office.  It would give you her place of death as well as date and cause and also whether she was the wife or widow of her husband. 

There are several possibilities for Thomas Bailey in the Pewsey reg. district.  I think that  the 1851 one was a chap in Enford, so can be written out.  The other two, for 1852 and 1859, are possibilities and Maria's death cert. should give you a pointer as to which is your chap.

Both Thomas and Maria seem to be elusive in a search of the 1841 census. There was a Thomas, aged 50 and a wheelwright, living with two other wheelwrights in Manningford Bruce in the 1841 census but no sign of Maria and it's a common name.  There are no Baileys of any spelling in Bohune, Abbots or Pewsey in 1841 (not even the workhouse!).  I think you may have found out that Thomas and Maria were paupers from the 1851 census when they were living in Bohune and he is listed as "pauper,former ag lab".  They were obviously "on the parish" by then and accepted as such by the Poor Law overseers,which may mean that they had been resident for the required period.  They would have been helped while living in their own home.  Alan's link to an explanation about entitlement is very good.  No parish wanted to be liable for needy poor who did not qualify according to the rules in Alan's article.  Even very sick people would be transported back to their previous parish of entitlement.

Hope this helps a little.  I'll get back to you if I find anything else relevant.

Linda

 


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Wiltshire / Re: John and Robert Bailey
« on: Thursday 05 May 16 12:11 BST (UK)  »
My pleasure.  Pleased that you like the Wiltshire OPC site too. It's first rate and we're all volunteers.   I'm the online parish clerk for three Pewsey Vale villages and know the Manningfords well.  My 3 x great grandmother Anna Roberts was born there. I don't have any Manningford or Pewsey Baileys in my tree,although my 6 x great aunt,a farmer's daughter from Burbage,  married a Bailey from the Chute branch.

I have access to a fair amount of bmds for the Pewsey Vale area and,also,my husband's family's line in Downton.  Let me know if I can look up anything for you.

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Wiltshire / Re: John and Robert Bailey
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 12:33 BST (UK)  »
Not sure whether this is of use to you.  Maria Andrews was baptised on 10 Mar 1782 in Manningford Bruce. Her parents are a tad confusing as they had aliases.  Robert Andrews married Elizabeth Huntley on 11 Dec 1781 in Manningford Abbotts.  Thereafter they used both Andrews and Huntley as surnames.  Maria's siblings were Jane Huntley baptised on 07 Dec 1783 in Manningford Abbptts and Stephen Huntley baptised on 27 Nov 1785 in Manningford Abbotts. Jane is listed as Jane Andrews in the Bishops Transcripts.

Robert Huntley alias Andrews was buried in Manningford Abbotts on 25 Sep 1839 and his wife Elizabeth was buried in Abbotts on 28 Oct 1787.  She was listed as Elizabeth Huntley,wife of Robert.

Re- Thomas Bailey,  he was baptised in Pewsey on 10 Apr 1785.  His parents Stephen and Mary had already had a son called Thomas five years before who must have died.

Apologies if you already have this!

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