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Gloucestershire / Re: Northwoods Asylum, Frampton Cotterell
« on: Sunday 26 July 20 17:07 BST (UK)  »
If you want OS 25" maps better to go for the National Library of Scotland collection - they are free online and downloadable.
Northwoods was an odd place -mainly built 1840s we assume by Henry Hawes Fox using his patented concrete floor methods - the Fox and Barrett system. Massive dispute in 1851 on level of restraint. Finally sold to Davey in 1852 who ran it for 25 years. In 1876 taken over by Eager & Seymour who had been the Supt and Steward of St Lukes in London.   
The 36 report of the commissioners in Lunacy [1882] says:
In 1875 Northwoods, near Bristol, which had been licensed to Dr Davey, was transferred to Dr. Reginald Eager and Mr T. G. Seymour, the present licensees. The house was then much out of repair, and extensive alterations and improvements were necessary, and, in the main, have been effected; The licensees have, indeed, shown a commendable readiness to accept, and even to anticipate, our various suggestions for further improvement; The reports in the past year upon the condition
and management of this House have been favourable. It is licensed for 25 private patients of either sex, and at the last visit there were on the books the names of 20 males and 21 females. The rates of payment vary considerably; the ordinary charge is three guineas a week, but many patients are received at much lower rates; An adequate staff of attendants is maintained, and we consider that the general treatment of the patients in Northwoods is good. We recently recommended the engagement of a ladies’ companion to assist Mrs Seymour, who now devotes much time to the duties of that office.

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Gloucestershire / Re: Northwoods Asylum, Frampton Cotterell
« on: Sunday 26 July 20 11:51 BST (UK)  »
The central register of asylum admissions is on Ancestry.com for 1848- 1920
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/9051

36412 Ellen Willcox admitted private patient 3 Feb 1881 Northwoods, discharged 12 Oct 1881 not improved.
there is no note of her admission elsewhere.
There is also Ellen Willcox admission 19 Feb 1881 to Burntwood Staffordshire who died in April .

I am researching Northwoods

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Europe / Re: Bagni de Lucca
« on: Sunday 19 April 20 15:45 BST (UK)  »
thank - happy to send you what i have on her and Robert Austen - it will be as word document - have not worked out how to  do this though.  ;)

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Europe / Re: Bagni de Lucca
« on: Wednesday 15 April 20 15:45 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - and I see the image of Elizabeth Hanchett grave in Florence is online
My interest is principally the lunatic asylum and hte proprietors that came and went - it produced a handsome income for whoever owned it.  Elizabeth first husband eloped with her and married her in Scotland when she was 19-20.  He appears to have pinched the money set up for her in a trust fund by her grandfather, in 1841 to develop his lunatic asylum Longwood house by Bristol. His father Charles Cunningham Langworthy is famous for his sale of Metallic Tractors using Perkinean Electricity. Debunked by a Bath doctor in 1899 but they made him a fortune  and he bought into the Mad house trade I presume to make even more money.
 She married Hanchett in 1853 but we know not where. However ancestry website currently doing very misleading and inadequate searches of its records at present.  Its been interesting trying to find out how she met him (he uses a Cheltenham address to write about turning Crystal palace into a Reading room.) and how she was attracted at age 50 to a 70 year old twice married man - he must have had some personality.  She had an income form her fathers estate and John tries ot get money back from the estate of her grandfathers trustees. She declares she is a widow in the 1861 census even though he was not yet quite dead.  - its all quite intriguing.

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Europe / Re: Bagni de Lucca
« on: Wednesday 15 April 20 11:33 BST (UK)  »
Do let me know when the book is out! I want a copy!

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Europe / Re: Bagni de Lucca
« on: Wednesday 15 April 20 11:32 BST (UK)  »
Thanks - just he is so litigious etc and with his ideas for the Reading room use of Crystal Palace and his paint for jet propulsion of boats he seems an odd man Then he does seem to like the courts - his case to get money back from/for Elizabeth - a child bride at her first marriage - She had an income from her Father that was expressly not for use of any husband [though he set up the same for all three daughters] - I Need to look at the case of langworthy v Church when I can as that forced the sale of 24 Circus which si house in case of Hanchett v Briscoe.  Intrigued he married at 70 though.  Three wives - how rich were each?

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Europe / Re: Bagni de Lucca
« on: Wednesday 15 April 20 05:54 BST (UK)  »
John Martin Hanchett seems "interesting"
born 1780 died 5 July 1862
Married Irene Ann Brigman 1806 in Plymouth
Wounded in action and gets various awards
claims illegitimate sone George III, that has order of the  Bath, see https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1819/may/17/petition-from-captain-hanchett dfor his begin dismissed for fraud in 1819.
He married Anna Stuart in 1840
offers suggestions to turn Crystal Palace into a Reading room.
Then married Elizabeth Ann Langworthy in 1853 at age of 70! She is my interest as she managed Kingsdown House  Lunatic Asylum in Box which I have been researching.  She has a court case Hanchett v Briscoe that sets out marriage  as she tries to get money back from a trust she plundered.   
I must wonder if he had syphilis - GPI - would not be surprised given in navy.
Love to know what is known of his life after 1835

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The Common Room / Re: Musgrave's Obituaries
« on: Thursday 02 April 20 12:51 BST (UK)  »
Of course the full reproduction of Musgrave Obituaries is free on Archive.org - just search "Obituary prior to 1800"
G.M. will be gentlemen's magazine - problem is finding who has copies of this - does not seem to be online. Some very big libraries do - Guildhall library london does

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Gloucestershire / Re: Mortimer House, Clifton, Bristol
« on: Sunday 20 December 15 17:33 GMT (UK)  »
just seen this - it was the maternity hospital until St Michael's was built - then it was given to Southmead Health Authority who used it to close the 'House of Help' in Bath - which was mainly elderly ladies. So it took ladies from old Magdalen and Ladymead house.
Then it was used more generally for Learning Difficulties - and transferred the ownership of what became Aspects and Milestones. Then they closed it and sold it. One of the problems with the house is there s a listed ballroom in it so they had massive problem converting it.

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