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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Friday 04 March 16 03:46 GMT (UK)  »
Update on the previous post;

Rowland's will doesn't mention any sons. The BTs have many years missing, including the critical 1685-1686 when  I calculate Robert was born. Added to that, I have had no response from the cathedral archivist.

So, I scored a reverse hat-trick - 3 out of 3 failures.

I don't know where to try next.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Thursday 04 February 16 08:14 GMT (UK)  »
LDS have PRs for the relevant parishes only for christenings, so I've ordered microfilm BTs for Upton St Leonards, Badgeworth, and Shurdington (on a hunch - it's right next door to Badgeworth); I've emailed the Cathedral archivist; and I'm waiting (im)patiently for a copy of Rowland's will.

Watch this space.

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England / Re: Help to find Parish Locator
« on: Tuesday 02 February 16 02:09 GMT (UK)  »
This thread led me to dowload the parish locator software.

I'm delighted with it. It's a wonderful tool - I didn't realise that there were 80+ parishes within 10 miles of the parish I was focussing on. I heartily recommend it to anyone.

I'd like to thank the authors, but there was no contact information on the website. Hopefully, someone out there can pass on my thanks.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Sunday 31 January 16 01:26 GMT (UK)  »
LDS might help. My nearest FHC is open limited hours, so I can't contact them until Tuesday. I'd be surprised if they have the relevant films on site, so I'll have to order them. Not sure what the lead time is, but after 300 years, it will seem like an instant.

If Rowland's will mentions only FIELD grandchildren, does it suggest that he didn't have any sons? Maybe Edith WAS an only child!

I didn't know about the archivist at the cathedral - I'll cetainly give him/her a try. Everything depends on identifying 6GG Robert's parents.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Friday 29 January 16 04:26 GMT (UK)  »
Well, I failed miserably. There are obviously big holes in the Ancestry data.

I could find only one offspring from Rowland and Elizabeth in the entire county - Edith 1675. it's hard to believe that they had only one child.

As a test of coverage I searched for 6GG Robert's two marriages, 1716 and 1732 which both appear on forest-of-dean.net; neither exist according to Ancestry. Both marriages took place at Gloucester Cathedral which is not listed as a Gloucestershire parish on Ancestry.

So I can't connect 6GG Robert with suspected 7GG Rowland. It might be that the quote at the start of this topic - "... ancestor of the present clerk ..." shouldn't be taken literally.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Thursday 28 January 16 04:10 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again Capetown.

You prompted me to ring my local library - and, yes, they do have access to Ancestry. They say it's not full access, but couldn't tell me exactly what restrictions there are. So I've scheduled a visit for tomorrow. We'll see how may dots I can connect.

Amongst my collection of disconnected fragments, I found the following in Bigland's Memorial Incriptions for Upton St Leonards:

"In Memory of ROWLAND FREEMAN, of this parish, Gent. who departed this Life, June 4, 1715, Aged 71 years. Also of ELIZABETH, the wife of ANTHONY FREEMAN, of this parish Gent. March 22 1713, Aged 19 years.

In Memory of EDITH, the late wife of THOMAS FIELD, of the City of Gloucester, Gent. and daughter of ROWLAND FREEMAN ,of this parish, who died Nov. 4, 1698, Aged 23 years."

This puts Rowland's birth at about 1644, but where? Upton? Badgeworth? Cirencester?

I take "of this parish" to mean that he'd lived there for some time, but wasn't necessarily born there - he was 30 years old and "of Badgeworth" when he married. I need to check Badgeworth baptisms to connect Rowland to my 6G grandfather Robert whose second marriage, incidentally, was to Joan STOCK "spinster of Badgeworth".

Wish me luck at the library tomorrow.


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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Tuesday 26 January 16 04:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks pinefamily that could be useful. I cancelled my subscription to ancestry because I found their service was oversold - if their records for Upton St Leonards are complete now, they certainly weren't then.

I got most of my information in my tree by searching the parish records at the Gloucester Records Office during a brief visit, but at that time hadn't pushed back this far. If someone can confirm that ancestry has the records, I might rejoin.

Thanks Capetown, you/ve given me lots more to digest. But I still haven't proved I've got the right Rowland yet - I need him to be the father of Robert about 1685. After fighting the website of Gloucestershire Archives, I managed to order a copy of Rowland's 1716 will. I would have much preferred to get it online from A2A than wait a week or more for a photocopy (at twice the price) but didn't get the choice.

If I can join the dots from your snippets. it could push my tree back two more generations. The alternating Anthonys and Rowlands and the similarity of Ferebee and Tereby are tantalising hints.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Monday 25 January 16 05:22 GMT (UK)  »
Wow! Thank you Capetown. There's a lot to digest there.

I don't have anything to connect my tree with the Cirencester FREEMANs although the forenames Rowland and Robert are tempting., but the dates are too early. I'll keep them in mind when I get the subject Rowland pinned down.

There is a close family connection with Upton St Leonards from the early 1700s until the early 1900s, so I think the 1674 FREEMAN-BINGLE marriage is correct.

The 1693 FIELD-FREEMAN marriage fits the quote exactly, so that's a valuable find. It gives Edith's residence as Upton; so, given that she was only 18, it suggests that her parents were also living in Upton at that time. Does anyone have access to the Upton PRs? (I'm in Australia).

The 1707 FREEMAN-NIBLETT marriage could be the son of the subject Rowland.

I already knew of the 1758 FREEMAN-STROUD marriage - that's my 5 x great-grandparents.

I have been trying to get a copy of Rowland's will which is listed on the Gloucestershire archives, but the ordering page won't accept the reference number. I've emailed them about it so I'll wait patiently for a reply. With that confirmation, I can pursue the BINGLES/BANGLES.


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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Rowland FREEMAN died 1715
« on: Sunday 24 January 16 03:57 GMT (UK)  »
The little I know of my 7 X great-grandfather Rowland FREEMAN comes mainly from  a passing reference in "Gloucestershire Notes and Queries Volume 3" published in 1887:

"As long ago as August 13, 1693, Thomas Feild and Edith Freeman were married by licence in Matson Church, and there is a fine tomb fast falling to decay, at Upton, which commemorates the death of Edith, wife of Thomas Feild, of Gloucester, gentleman, and daughter of Rowland Freeman, gentleman, who died November 4, 1698, aged 23 years. This Rowland Freeman was an ancestor of the present clerk of Upton, and died in 1715. "

The "Upton" referred to is Upton St Leonards, and the "present clerk" was my 3 x great-grandfather.

I have found a marriage allegation for 1674 for Rowland FREEMAN gentleman of Badgeworth and Elizabeth BINGLE of Upton St Leonards, which looks plausible given Edith's calculated birthdate of 1675, but no more information is recorded, so I don't know where the marriage took place, but I suspect it wasn't Upton St Leonards.

As well as details of the marriage, what I'd really like is christening details for Edith and other children, especially Robert about 1685.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.



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