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Leicestershire / Re: Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Sunday 17 August 14 09:22 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I am not taking all this in or Sals message boards I will just follow the postings, I will pm Sal to help me with this family its all too confusing. The birth details for Betsy Merchant was
27 July 1862 address 45 Royal East Street, Leicester. John Merchant a Master Cutler and Ellen Merchant once Brewin. Registered by the Mother 7 August 1862. Registrar Robert Warburton.
Hey-well done for all the research that is taking place.

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Leicestershire / Re: Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Thursday 14 August 14 19:31 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Wow-so much to try and take in.
I am very confused with Barnes and Murphys, Dixon and Glovers. I need to go through all this thread again. Just not getting anywhere with John Merchant. I need to recheck my notes. My head is spinning with all this. Well done and thank you.

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Leicestershire / Re: Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Tuesday 12 August 14 17:50 BST (UK)  »
Hello Dizziefish and Willsy,

Thank you both for your results. I was unable to search last night but have been able to do so today--on and off.

I have gone through all of the 1851 censuses at ancestry for; John Merchant/Marchant, born 1830 + or - 10 years in England but came up with nothing suitable-specifically seeking any John`s that may have been a Cutler or an apprentice.

Tomorrow I will follow through with the 1841 census and London apprenticeship record searches. Along with signing up on the Sheffield records on-line website to recheck their records for John.
I do hope that he has been truthful about his occupation as a Master Cutler. There are a lot of John Merchant/Marchant`s born and around 1820-1870 in England so I am hoping to narrow my searches for John through his profession.

Cutlers--I have now learnt that there is also The Worshipful Company of Cutlers in the City of London that accommodated apprentices so I shall email or write to them to see if they had any John Merchant`s for any time period.

Were there any other Companies of Cutlers or organisations in England during the 18th century or any Companies around in Leicester in the 1860s? I suppose I should look up Trade directories at some point.

Are you able to tell me if there are more spelling variations for the surname Merchant please, would Marchington be a variation of the same name?

Willsy--can you give me any more details about the John Marchant, 1865, that you found in the Leics; Asylum as they may later prove to be useful?

Dizziefish--Thank you for the links. I have yet to check out the topics with 2 of those here at Rootschat, not enough time today, but did search fully through the England marriages 1538-1973, with no success, but pleased to have done so.
I searched for John Merchant/Marchant and found a record for a Francis Marchant age 50 to an Ellen Brewer age 38 which gave me hope--but her Father was a John Patching 1856 Brighton.
This find got me thinking that the surname Brewin might also be known as Brewer? so I then conducted a search for her with both surnames to no avail.

Next I searched on ancestry for them both with many name spelling variations 1837-1866-no luck there but I have loads more marriage records to search at ancestry.

I am not on-line this evening but shall be back tomorrow. Thank you for all of your time and efforts with my searches.








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Leicestershire / Re: Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Monday 11 August 14 09:55 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

Wow. Thank you all for the information.

On Betsy`s birth certficate it states that John Merchant was a Master Cutler!! and living at 45 Royal East Street!! Got to be the same people, surely?

So, Betsy could also have been known as Elizabeth-of course, and she now has a Brother John-excellent.
The John & Ellen Merchant that you have found must be one and the same people that I am researching and now St. Margarets Parish that might help, I have the christening records-thank you very much.
I don`t have time now but I will go back and search for John jnrs birth GRO and see if I can find them all in the censuses tonight.

Grace Lilly Brewin-I shall file the details away but I don`t think she is connected directly to this couple at the moment.
Charles Inman does not appear to fit the time frame for John & Betsy`s births but thank you for taking the time to search for me.

Last night I tried to find Ellen Brewin in the 1851 + 1861 censuses for the Midlands but could find nothing to `fit` this lady. I have `guessed` her age as being born about 1840 so perhaps I need to search for an earlier age allowing for 20 years or so for a person to be of childbearing years-would you agree?

Cutlers
I have checked through the Sheffield Cutlers archived lists and found no John Merchant-if he was a Master Cutler would he have had to be registered? Was it illegal to set up as a registered Master Cutler if he wasn`t so, should that turn out to be the case? Was there a Company in Leicester that required these skills? Does anyone know of other Counties that trained Cutlers aside from Sheffield, I am thinking along the lines of apprenticeship records?
I will also check out the occupations listings here at Rootschat shortly.

That is all I have time for this morning but shall look forward to catching up with you all again.


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Leicestershire / Re: Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Sunday 10 August 14 20:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi KGarrard,

Yes thats the one--Betsy Merchant. I ordered and received the birth certificate, that is where I learnt the Mother`s maiden name and address.

I can see from the ancestry search results that there were quite a few Brewin`s living in Leicester in the 1860s but how do I associate and connect one of those families with Ellen Brewin?
She may well have originated from a different place altogether.

I have now learnt that the name was an English name---I thought it was foreign at first and Brewin has quite a few name spelling variations e.g Bruin; Bruen; Bruyn; Brune and Brewern etc.. so I really do need to go back and widen my search in the hope of yeilding new results.

Thank you for your time.

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Leicestershire / Re: Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Sunday 10 August 14 16:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I don`t know if that is the correct record or not but thank you very much for trying.
On the ancestry website there are a few Ellen/Helen Brewin marriages but I see no John Merchant on any of them. I would very much like to order a marriage certificate for this couple, if they did marry, in order to find out who their respective Fathers were and try and take my search back from there.

They had a daughter Betsy born in 1862 and this is how I, finally, found out her Mother`s maiden name and the address of East Street. I have come up with nothing new on the familysearch.org website.
I wondered if there was anyone available that had access to the parish registers in Leicester at all to see if they married there?
But, even having said that I cannot find this couple in any of the censuses so perhaps they might come from another area in the Midlands, hmm need to extend my search further.
Once again thank you.

Just to add in order to save people time I have searched through the Leicester parish and marriage databases here at rootschat.

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Leicestershire / Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.
« on: Sunday 10 August 14 10:00 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I wonder if anyone with access to the Leicestershire records would undertake a marriage search for me please?
I am looking for a marriage between John Merchant and Ellen Brewin. They were living at East Street, Leicester in 1860-1862 but I do not have any further information for them both.
I suspect that they were both born about 1835-1845 but have not been able to prove that.
The marriage search could be anywhere between 1840-1865? I really am not able to offer any more details for this couple, a long shot I know but I would be grateful if someone would conduct a search for me.
Thank you.

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