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Gloucestershire / Re: King Family in Cheltenham (Mary Ann, Henry, Robert, Kate)
« on: Tuesday 11 March 14 12:00 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks so much for looking up the information for those records! Those marriages are new information for me so very helpful. Thank you!

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Gloucestershire / King Family in Cheltenham (Mary Ann, Henry, Robert, Kate)
« on: Monday 10 March 14 20:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I'm working to fill in the gaps I have on my husbands King family in Cheltenham. Is anyone else working on King family?

Mary Ann King b 1825 Twyning
her children
  • Robert L King b 1843 Cheltenham - immigrated to Little Rock, Arkansa, US between 1861-1870
  • Henry King b 1844 Bristol. married Louisa Acton and founded St Leonards Collegiate School in St. Leonards-on-sea.
  • Kate Potter King b 1857 Cheltenham d 1896 Cheltenham

I'm stuck finding Mary Ann's birth record or marriage record. Mary Ann may have been unwed when she had her children since on one census she is living with her mother E King, however she is always identified as a widow on the censuses I find her on. Kate was born after Mary Ann's husband died and no indication she remarried. I'm also not able to find Robert Kings immigration date specifically.

I have quite a bit on the Henry King family in St. Leonards and on Robert Kings family in Little Rock. Kate King had two children out of wedlock and later married Matthew Andrews and the boys Harry and Robert took his last name before they immigrated to Little Rock in 1903. They stayed with members of Henry Kings family before the left for America.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth
« on: Thursday 13 February 14 19:23 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Ladyhawk on Thursday 13 February 14 07:26 GMT (UK)
Quote from: ejandrews on Wednesday 12 February 14 21:35 GMT (UK)

-Kate has at least two siblings, Robert L King b 1843 in Cheltenham,  and
 Henry King b 1844 in Bristol

-Kate's brother Robert L King has immigrated to Little Rock, Arkansas, US sometime before 1870

-Kate's brother Henry had moved to St. Leonard on Sea and started a very successful school, St. Leonards Collegiate School, later changed to King's College (after their last name)

You probably have this info. on Robert but just in case


Thanks for all of that! I do have it but it's nice to get confirmation that we are lead to the same places. I do need to look into the birth certificates in Bristol, just hoping to narrow it down before I start spending money on certificates!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth
« on: Thursday 13 February 14 00:54 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: avm228 on Tuesday 11 February 14 18:34 GMT (UK)
I wonder whether the original poster ejandrews (welcome  :) ) knows any more about these people (even provisionally) which might give any leads.  The census entry is poorly written both as to Ralph's surname and his birthplace, so on its own it is a tough starting place. 

Even if the enumerator had better handwriting, it wouldn't be conclusive as to Ralph's surname as it would only be the enumerator's interpretation/transcription of what appeared on the household schedule.

Is there anything more to go on, & why are they the subject of interest?

Thanks!
I'm just getting round to each post. I do have a ton of other information. I was working on a post for the general Gloucestershire board to ask for help with more information on Kate King's family and in doing that had realized I didn't know where Robert or Kate King was in 1861 and found the 1861 census of Kate visiting Ralph and his wife and was trying to trace down Ralph and couldn't figure out the name, so ended up posting it here.

I added a post just a bit early with a text attachment with much of what I have pieced together on this King family in Cheltenham.  This is my husbands family and my father-in-law had a professional due some work years ago and has a death certificate for Kate but hasn't been able to send it to me (the papers are all packed away). I'm excited about some of the new leads! I was hoping to find out Ralph's occupation and now I may know Kate's mother's maiden name and her fathers name, which had been eluding me!  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth
« on: Wednesday 12 February 14 23:33 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: JenB on Tuesday 11 February 14 14:39 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

Ralph is Secretary to a Glass Company.

Thanks!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth
« on: Wednesday 12 February 14 23:32 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: avm228 on Tuesday 11 February 14 16:52 GMT (UK)
There's a Ralph and Elizabeth Mather in Birmingham in 1861: RG09 piece 2146 folio 88 page 28.

I agree that Kate P King is an important clue but am not sure her mother Mary Ann's maiden name was King.  Mary Ann had with her in 1861 a son Henry, 16.  This may (or may not) be his baptism: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3D5-SG4.

Edit: sorry, having checked 1861 again he is supposedly Mary Ann's unmarried brother, though she claims to be a widow ???

I think Henry was misidentified on that 1861 census. He is her son. You can see him and his brother Robert on the 1851 census for Cheltenham, St. Pauls district. Henry is pretty consistently identified as having been born in Bristol in 1844. He later 1868 taught at Orphan Working School, Haverstock-hill, London and then moved to St. Leonards-on-sea, Hastings and founded the St. Leonards Collegiate School. He married Louisa Acton.

I'm pretty excited about the baptism record!  I'll pursue George as Mary Ann's husband and see if it fits!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth
« on: Wednesday 12 February 14 21:35 GMT (UK)  »
Wow, all of you are amazing!

I've been in homework help crises all day yesterday with my son so didn't get a chance to answer any post - will go through then today.

I do have a bunch of information and I can't wait to correlate everything you found with what I have so far.

I'm attaching a txt file that is a summary of some of the research I have on the Kings. Like I said I can't wait to go through all the post so to add to my information!

Thanks to everyone!

-Kate's mother is Mary Ann King b 1825 Twinning, Gloucestershire
-Kate has at least two siblings, Robert L King b 1843 in Cheltenham,  and Henry King b 1844 in Bristol
-Kate has 2 sons, Robert A King b 05 Dec 1886  and Harry A king b 10 Oct 1886 both in St. Mary's, Gloucestershire, at some point she marries, most likely Matthew Andrews, and the boys last name changes to Andrews
-Kate dies around 1893 in Cheltenham and the her sons live with their cousin Mabel King (their Uncle Henry's daughter) in London
-Kate's brother Robert L King has immigrated to Little Rock, Arkansas, US sometime before 1870
-Kate's sons immigrate to Little Rock, Arkansas, Us in 1903 and live with Robert's daughter Minnie and her husband John Hodges
-Kate's brother Henry had moved to St. Leonard on Sea and started a very successful school, St. Leonards Collegiate School, later changed to King's College (after their last name)


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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help verifying Last Name and Occupation, possibly Ralph Hannth
« on: Tuesday 11 February 14 14:34 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
This is my first post here, so let me know if there's a better way to ask this. :-)

I have attached a snipped from 1861 census and want to need help with a last name and occupation.

Starting third line down is:
Ralph
Eliza
Kate P King

Transcribed census shows Ralph's last name as Hannth but I'm wondering if it could be something else? Also he is Secretary to ???.

Thanks!

Census image is from Ancestry.com. 1861 England Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005. Original data: Census Returns of England and Wales, 1861. Kew, Surrey, England: The National Archives of the UK (TNA): Public Record Office (PRO), 1861.

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