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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Snedden\Stanners of Bo'ness
« on: Monday 20 April 15 23:45 BST (UK)  »
Yes.  Alexander Brown's parents were James Brown and Mary Anderson.  Alexander Brown (b. 6 Feb. 1803 in New Monkland) married Jean Sneddon 24 Nov. 1838 in Polmont, Stirling.  Record says Jean was "in the parish of Bo'ness."  I think this could have been Alexander Brown's second marriage as he seems to have had a son George born ca. 1821.  Spelling on surnames of Sneddon and Bouch seem to vary.  Jean became the widow of Alexander and remarried to a Thomas Smith in 1862.  Unfortunately on Jean's death record in 1903 in New Monkland, her mother's maiden name was recorded as "Butch."  On her marriage to Thomas Smith (1862) it was recorded as "Budge."  Are you related to any of these folks?

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West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) / Re: Snedden\Stanners of Bo'ness
« on: Monday 20 April 15 04:08 BST (UK)  »
Richard Sneddon (b. 1801) was my 2nd great grand uncle!  Anyway, I've been researching this branch recently and believe that Richard's parents were John Snaddon and Elisabeth Bouch.  They married "clandestinely" 8 June 1794.  Richard's sister Jean Sneddon (who married Alexander Brown) was my 2nd great-grandmother.  Some folks have Elisabeth Bouch as "Agnes Elisabeth" Bouch and her surname has been recorded in a number of ways.  I would love to know her ancestry too.  Anyway, other trees that I've seen online do not have my Jean Sneddon and I think that is because 1)  she was married before 1841 and cannot be found with the rest of the family as she married in 1838, and 2) I am told that there was a gap in birth records around the time she was born (ca. 1816). 

If you'd like to compare notes or share info, you could email me:  libertybelle76@comcast.net

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Illegitimacy
« on: Tuesday 25 February 14 23:55 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks - that information was very interesting.  Unfortunately my Charles Patrick (recorded as James Patrick at birth) is only recorded as "Charles Patrick" on his marriage record, the birth records of his children, and his death record.  He never named his father so I don't think I'll ever know for sure.  Following the naming pattern that the Scots used, I would have thought his father's first name was "John" as that was the name of his first son.  Many of the children had middle names but I would really be guessing as to which of those names would have been his father's surname.  Well, some mysteries may not be solved I'm afraid  :(

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Illegitimacy
« on: Tuesday 25 February 14 19:35 GMT (UK)  »
I don't know that I have the answer for you but would love to know if there are options for this kind of problem.  I too have record of an illegitimate birth - for a "James" Patrick (whose name was apparently changed to Charles Patrick).  Only a mother is listed on his alleged birth record - no father.  So frustrating!  I made inquiry to a website called "Ayrshire Ancestors" for a fee but was told that Catrine Church Sessions did not start until 1871.  That is where illegitimate births would have been dealt with.  Most records in Catrine start after 1855.  I've reached a "dead" end, so to speak.  :'(  for my ancestor but you may have better luck with a resource like that, especially if you are not in Scotland, than I did since you are looking at a later date.  I think it amounted to about $20 (U.S.) to be a member of their site.  I then posted them my info and heard back pretty promptly - though it was not good news for me.

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Renfrewshire / Re: Help doing research in Greenock
« on: Thursday 06 February 14 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
I don't know if I can help with your research in Greenock as I live in the U.S.  Anyway, you probably already went!  But you mentioned the names Brown and Gillespie.  I'd love to discuss with you more if you are interested.  I have Alexander Brown (my grandfather) whose first wife was Elizabeth Gillespie.  I don't know a lot about her other than things like date of death - have that record.  Am confused about her parentage.  Alexander Brown married, second, my grandmother Mary Patrick.  This line of Browns is from the Cumbernauld/Dumbarton area primarily and I think Falkirk area connection via a marriage of John Brown to Helen Shaw Walker.

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Ayrshire / Re: Kyle Union Poorhouse, Charles Patrick
« on: Wednesday 22 January 14 20:26 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks!

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Ayrshire / Re: Kyle Union Poorhouse, Charles Patrick
« on: Tuesday 21 January 14 22:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for both of your replies.  As a newbie I don't know how to reply to you individually.  But here goes.  I have Charles Patrick in every census record from 1861 to 1901.  In 1901, he was living in Riccarton with the family and was employed as a "jobing flesher" (butcher).  BTW, he was supporting a large household of a wife and 10 children at the time.

I also have his death record and the cause was "cerebral hemorrhage."  I guess this could have been a stroke - but maybe he could have suffered a fall.  There is one story from a cousin of mine suggesting that he had fallen out of a second story window!  But did a fall (and resulting injury) land him at the Poorhouse in 1906 - or did a fall occur while institutionalized at the Poorhouse in 1912 and cause his death?   Plus, I don't know if the story is true!

I appreciate the tips on the National Archives in Edinburgh and the Burns Center in Kilmarnock but I am in the U.S. and that is a wee bit difficult to get there.  On the other hand, I will check the website about workhouses.  Thanks for your replies!

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Ayrshire / Kyle Union Poorhouse, Charles Patrick
« on: Tuesday 21 January 14 20:57 GMT (UK)  »
I have learned that my great grandfather Charles Patrick spent the last 5 years of his life in this place while the rest of his family lived elsewhere.  Does anyone know if folks were institutionalized even if they were not poor?  Such as for illness?  Alcoholism?  Any other reason?  Could they be committed?  And, as I am not in Scotland, I wonder how I may find out why he was there.  Any online options?  A cousin has found that there was a letter to his wife informing her of her husband's death and burial.  No explanations for this situation though.  In the 1911 census, she declared that her husband was deceased - but he was still alive!

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