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Fascinating and frustrating at the same time NottsChick. There is just too much that I half know for me to give up on what I believe to be true. I guess I always hoped that one day I'd find some missing piece to the story but I guess it is not meant to be.

Hi Liz.

I do not have a copy but I have seen one that a family member has and it has Ethel Hughes as mother and Ernest Slater as father. These who are I suspect may have actually been grandparents.

Born Victor Norman Slater in 4Qtr of 1939 with mothers maiden name down as Hughes, I have a question mark in my family tree which I fear will always be an unanswered question.

The short of it is, I believe my Grandmother (Irene Beatrice Slater) who was 16 at the time of Victor Norman's birth was in fact his mother as opposed to his sister as it was passed off to outsiders and even those within the family.

According to basic records, Victor's parents were Ernest Slater and Ethel Slater (maiden name Hughes). Ethel would have been 45 at the time of Victor's birth but more importantly, family remembered being bed bound during the late 1930's and 1940's with illness. Whilst I know it is not impossible, what is notable is that Victor was born out in Southwell at a time when the entire family lived in Cannock with the exception of an auntie of my Irenes.

After discussion with my old man, he said it would not have been beyond the family to have sent my grandmother packing to her aunt in Southwell to have the child, Victor, who was later to become commonly known as Norman.

To add fuel, my Grandmother ended up settling in Nottingham a fews years later after having two more children, both of whom were registered with different surnames and we believe by different fathers. Unfortunately, the family were incredibly secretive back then. Of the two sons she had in 1946 and 1950, both grew up in later years to be referred to as Uncles of the three children she would later have with my grandfather.

I guess what I want to know is were many births registered in a way which could have seen my Grandmothers parents details input as parents as opposed to her own details. Would any known records in later years have gave a hint to a truth.

In addition, when Victor Norman died at a young age in 1965, my old man who was then aged seven recalls my Grandmother taking his death extremely badly. Almost a state of severe depression. She cancelled Christmas and failed to make an effort to celebrate it for much of the next twenty years or so.

Victor Norman, was born in Southwell, or at least registered there and passed away and his death registered in 1965, aged 25 in Nottingham.

I have posted this on both Nottingham and Staffordshire pages.

Thanks in advance should anyone be able to help or shed any light.

My first ever post on here I am afraid and at present, I don't have much of use to you but I am hoping to pass by the museum soon. It turns out I have a fair few descendants that worked as Framework Knitters in the Arnold area. In particular, Theophilus Pembleton (b1776), son Frederick (b1828) and at least three of his brothers were said to have worked in Arnold at this time when Frederick was also a publican at The White Hart in Arnold also.

I believe there is a post within your website from someone telling of his tracing of the Pembleton's. Thoephilus was my 4x Great Grandfather.