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Northumberland / Re: Bygate Hall, Alwinton
« on: Tuesday 05 March 24 09:31 GMT (UK)  »
Bygate Hall is mentioned in connection with an unsuccessful theft of ‘twenty-seven score of sheep’ in circa 1645 (Fraser 1878, 304) and there is an explicit reference to it in 1684 when its owner or tenant, James Robson, was party to a lease of land at Makendon further up the valley (Northumberland Archives 1684). In the early eighteenth century it appeared in a list of rates (Book of Rates 1731, 34).

FRASER, W. 1878 The Scotts of Buccleuch Vol 1, Edinburgh, University Press
NORTHUMBERLAND ARCHIVES 1684 Lease for land at Makendon, Northumberland, NRO ZCE/B/1/7/3.
BOOK OF RATES 1731 Northumberland. Private collection D. Jones

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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Fitzherbert Alford married in Southwark, 1792
« on: Friday 25 October 19 16:33 BST (UK)  »
I examined the original record under magnification a few years ago, and with the benefit of knowing the answer I can persuade myself that the transcription is wrong (not surprising) and that the original entry reads 'Phitzurburt'. I'm not sure how to insert an image on this system (I don't use it very much) but if you email me at domj49'at'yahoo.co.uk I will send you an image of this (if you're interested)

David

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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Fitzherbert Alford married in Southwark, 1792
« on: Monday 30 December 13 11:13 GMT (UK)  »
And here's the second post, this time going backwards.

The father of John Alford (the father of the 1752 Fitzherbert) was probably Samuel Alford.  His wife was Hannah and John was baptised in Frome (near Beckington) in 1718.  I think this Samuel Alford died in 1762, which would account for John's youngest son being called Samuel in 1763.

The Frome records show the burial of a 'Fitsharbut' Alford, son of Samuel, in 1713.  To my mind, this is clearly Fitzherbert spoken (and copied down) with a strong West Country accent and means he was John's brother who died young (or possibly half brother, since no mother is mentioned).

That's as far back as I can definitely go.  At the latest, Samuel would have been born in the 1690s.  But here's an interesting thing.  In September 1700 a Mary Alford married a William Fitzherbert in Chideock, in Dorset.  Is this how the name got into the Alfords?  But so far I have not been able to link Mary with Samuel.

Hope this is some help. Whenever you want I can put together a package for you that enlarges on this stuff and contains more circumstantial information.

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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Fitzherbert Alford married in Southwark, 1792
« on: Monday 30 December 13 10:53 GMT (UK)  »
OK - well here's the first of two posts; this one mostly goes forward in time from the Fitzherbert we're focusing on.

As I said, his father was a John Alford, who lived in Beckington and was my 5 x great grandfather.  He and his wife Elizabeth had 8 children, including Fitzherbert (Phitzhurburt) and Samuel, the youngest. I am descended from Samuel (b. 1763), through his son William who moved to London in the 1820s and set up a successful tailoring business in Deptford (SE London).  I first got interested in the connection between the names Alford and Fitzherbert because William had a half-brother of that name and also a son (b. circa 1847 and died, a bachelor, in 1870).

As a side exercise from following my line of Alfords, I also did some work on tracing the 1752 Fitzherbert forwards.  You and your friend may well know much of this already, but the name persisted through the generations.  The 1752 Fitzherbert had a son Fitzherbert (b 1797) who in turn had 3 sons of that name (an earlier post mentions this).  I think the survivor married an Elizabeth Beresford and died in 1901,  The grandson of one of his brothers (Henry) was called Fitzherbert Fraser Alford; he was baptised in 1899.

The 1797 Fitzherbert probably had a brother Josiah who had a grandson (Thomas Josiah Fitzherbert Alford) born in 1852.  The 1797 Fitzherbert also had a sister Susanna (like her mother) who married a William Bugby.  They had a son Fitzherbert Bugby (b. 1823) who became a prominent Baptist minister, and another son, John who in turn had grandchildren called Fitzherbert.

I could go on, but won't at this stage.  But it's remarkable how the name became a tradition.  I don't know how it started, but the next post will contain a theory.

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Surrey Lookup Requests / Re: Fitzherbert Alford married in Southwark, 1792
« on: Sunday 29 December 13 12:52 GMT (UK)  »
I think I can help.  I'm a bit rushed at the moment, but I've been researching the Alfords for some time.  I am almost certain that this Fitzherbert (whose age at death was recorded in 1822 when aged 69) was baptised in Beckington in Somerset (near the Wiltshire border) on 8 December 1752.  It took me some time to find this a few years ago, because the name in the registers is not written 'Fitzherbert' but something like 'Phitzhurburt'.  His parents were John and Elizabeth Alford, and I am descended from another son of theirs (Samuel).  Let me know how much you'd like to get from me.  I have quite a lot of Alford material, and information on about 4 generations of linkages between the names Alford and Fitzherbert, which go back to the early 18th century.  And I'd love to know what your angle is......

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