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Stirlingshire / Re: Information from Falkirk
« on: Sunday 12 January 14 20:27 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks again for this information Morney, you've given me a lot of leads to look into, I very much appreciate you sharing your research in this way.  Good luck with your research also, and I'll be back in touch if I come across anything that i think may be of interest to you.

best wishes

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Stirlingshire / Re: Information from Falkirk
« on: Saturday 28 December 13 21:14 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for your reply Morney, I'd love to read the article about Annie causing a disturbance!  You don't happen to have the exact date that it's from? 

I did find the census return from 1911 after a bit of hunting - Lizzie Livett aged 2 was my grandmother, although she subsequently used the Kerrigan name.

Am I right in assuming from your posts that you are descended from Hugh Lovatt's subsequent Newcastle family?  In which case we are not connected by blood, just by a web of intrigue!  Co-incidentally I now live in Newcastle.  I've attached the register entries for my gran and aunt, in case you haven't come across them.

Also, I'd be interested to get the complete list of Annie's children if you have it?  In the 1911 census, she declares that she had 8 children, 6 still living, one of whom would have been my gran.  But the only births in the register I can find so far are:

Mary 1893
Rosina 1897
John 1899
Rachel 1903
Barbara 1905

so there should be another two births, one of them also resulting in a death?   And you say that Mary died aged 22, but to register the death in 1918, she must have been around 25?  Do you know of a year for her death?  It would be really interesting to know what happened to her daughter.  Given that she registered her mother's death, it has made me wonder if she also took charge of finding a way of placing my gran and aunt who would have been 9 and 6, into care.

Anyway, your research is much appreciated. 

all the best

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Stirlingshire / Re: Information from Falkirk
« on: Friday 27 December 13 18:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

I notice that your message is from a few years ago, so I hope this will still get through to you. It seems we might have some of each others' jigsaw pieces!  I have been looking into the history of my grandmothers and aunt's mother, who is Annie Lovat, and whose death was registered in 1918 by her daughter Mary McColgan.  The existence of this daughter, or any other children was unknown to us until now.  My gran was around 8 and my aunt around 4 when they were both orphaned by Annie's death - my aunt too young to remember, and my gran would never speak about the details, not even to my aunt.  Both of their birth certificates may give some clues to why you have discovered that Hugh was married in 1909 as a widower, but Annie did not die until 1918. 

My gran's birth certificate for 1909 states the mother as 'Annie Devoy or Lovatt' and in the details about the father states: 'Annie Devoy wife of Hugh Lovatt, labourer who she declares is not the father of the child and further that she has had no personal communication with him since they ceased to reside together about 4 years ago'.  there is no father named.

My aunts birth certificate for 1912 gives the father as Patrick Kerrigan and under the details states 'Annie Devoy, wife of Hugh Lovatt, Chemical Works Labourer, who she declares is not the father of the child and further that she has had no personal contact with him since he left her seven years ago'

When Annie died, Patrick Kerrigan was unable to look after my gran and aunt, they were 'boarded out' with a loving family on the Isle of Arran, and led long and happy lives, my aunt just dying last year at the age of 99.  I have copies of the birth certificates which I would be happy to send you. We were aware that my gran and aunt had a half brother through Patrick Kerrigan, but no knowledge of any other family through Annie.

I hope that doesn't come as too much of a shock to you, but the information you have supplied about Hugh has certainly put a few pieces of the puzzle in place for us. 

I'm only one day into my research, but it's already been quite fruitful!

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