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Interesting thread as the following names appear in my Gilbert and Cecil research of this area -  Thomas, Lewis, Jones, Rees, Morgan, Lloyd & Powell.
If you have any Gilbert or Cecil attachments please PM me as they may or may not have anything to do with Sarah Phillips.

Cheers
Jack Gee
interestingly one of our Cecil researchers is a Phillips.

Thanks I will get in touch if I come across these names. Thank you.

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Possible family living Crickhowell Breconshire in 1861. 1911 Sarah gives POB as Varteg, Monmouthshire

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8768/records/15288021

1861
Thomas Phillips 43 Head
Sarah Phillips 40 Wife
Sarah Phillips 10 Daughter Blaenafon, Monmouthshire
John Phillips 7 Son
Diana Phillips 5 Daughter
Eliza Phillips   3   Daughter
Jane Phillips 7mths Daughter

Cas

Thanks for this, I appreciate it and will look into this family. Thank you 🙏🏻

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Sarah Warner died 1881 & left a will.  Robert not the executor but entry mentions "certain conditions"

You can download a copy for £1.50. 

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Thanks, I've ordered. Document pending. Look forward to seeing if this helps with Robert's family.

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1881 - There is only one Robert Warner with an occ of Butler.

Aged 39 - single - b Cheltenham Gloucs & living with his mother & aunt in Gloucester

Yes that's the only one I could find too. I believe his mother to be Sarah nee Masters.

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In 1911 George Harold Warner is married but has a Joseph Phillips aged 25 b Mardy plus Joseph's wife living with him.

1891 shows Joseph as the son of Thomas & Naomi

I think the Phillipses may be a coincidence - Joseph's father is b Llanelli so unlikely to be connected to Sarah

Thanks, I did have a quick look at this family but could not find an obvious connection.

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Does George Harold Warner name a father on his marriage cert

That's a good point. I'll have to see if anyone has a copy to check. If not I will have to order one.

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George Harold Warner was b 1881 Kingston upon Thames - mmn Phillips

Was James Henry Mason b Oswestry 1903?

You say "Sarah" was b 1851 Blaenavon & has George living with her in 1891 but she is now married to a Thomas Powell.

If she was married to Warner - she would have remarried as Warner.  There is no Warner/Phillips marriage & no Thomas Powell marriage to either a Sarah Phillips or Warner

The 2 younger children on the 1891 entry do show mmn as Phillips

James Henry Mason was born 1899 in Ferndale to Ellen Mason (Nellie).

I have been unable to locate a marriage for either Warner or Powell also.

Thank you for confirming the two younger Powell children also have Sarah Phillips as their mother.

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Do all the Powell children’s births have mothers maiden name as Phillips?

Is Sarah down as married or single in the 1881 census you have for her?

I will check the Powell children's births to confirm name was also Phillips.

In 1881 Sarah in unmarried, age 30.

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I have come to the conclusion that he is the father through looking through both my mum's and my DNA matches and through a process of elimination working out that one close match in particular doesn't fit into any other line ... Then working through the relationships of that person and finding a male of the assumed correct age in the right area.

Then pulling together a tree using those names and working out other members of this tree. Then speaking with people from that area (as I obviously have relatives there from the mother's line in my tree) and then discovering more of my DNA matches match the names in that family.

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