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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Monday 16 December 13 00:44 GMT (UK)  »
Dear SuperMoussi, You are a wonder. Thank you. I found the record. I had been using the 1544 date that the will said it was probated, and mispelling his surname. Also it won't bring the record up if you put in Haltrop for the county. But it showed the record as Haltrop, so it must be the one. I wasn't allowed to look at the record but had to order it . I guess they will mail it to me. I am very excited, I hope it won't take too long to recieve it. Again, Thank you for all the trouble you went to to help me.
Marjorie  :D

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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Sunday 15 December 13 07:02 GMT (UK)  »
Dear SuperMoussi, Thank you for your relpy and advice. I will try once again to find the wills. According to Bethia there are records of the wills for John Harris and his wife Ann, but the probate date on Johns will is 1544 and i have him listed as dying in 1555 which is probably incorrect. I have his son's will which states that he be buried at St Nicholas in Halthrop. I had no luck finding any records for his father but his sons will stated it was the Harris Family Church.

Here is a copy of what i have of John Harris and his wife's will.... i will search for it again...but i have been for weeks now with no luck.
  Following is the will as taken from Bethia:
JOHN HARRIS 1513-1554 .
John Harris, yeoman, of Hartherup, co. Gloucester, was born at least as early as 1513.  He married Anne or Annis _____, perhaps about the year 1533.  His will, dated October 22, 1533, and proved June 4, 1544, left the lease of the house in which he dwelt to his daughter Alice Winchcombe, and, if she should die before it expired, the remainder of the term was to belong to her daughter.  His two sons, WILLIAM (our direct ancester)and John Harris, received seventy-two acres of land occupied by William Carney, a sheep pasture and also ten sheep and a bullock apiece.  The residuary legatee and executrix was his wife Anne Harris, and John Sermon. Peter Fathers and John Chapleyn were named overseers.  The witnesses were John George, William Manne and John Sermon..
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The will of Anne Harris, widow, of Hatherup, was made June 17, 1585, and proved Febuary 5, 1585/6.  She gave to her daughter Alice Winchkome (Winchcombe) a new gown, three sheets, etc., and made small personal gifts to (GRANDCHILDREN??) Anne, James, John, Thomas Winchkome & ALSO William Harris the younger, Anthony Harris and John Harris the younger, Joan Reve, Alice Kirbie, George and Marie Vincen and Elizabeth Robins.  The residuary legatee and executor was Richard Harris..
Thank you again for your time and advice.
 Sincerely, Marjorie Harris McLean

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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Saturday 14 December 13 08:11 GMT (UK)  »
Dear Super Mousi,
   I want to thank you very much for all the time that you spent sending me the links. I never claimed that John Harris was decended from Arthur Harris of Prittlewell. I posted a request for help to find out who his parents might be or how to obtain a complete copy of his will. I had already been to a lot of the links that you offered me. Some require money to subscribe to them and some just confused me because no matter how much time and effort i spent i could not find any records.
 I am an old woman on a fixed income and i cannot afford the subscription fees. I would not have asked for help if i had not spent many months looking myself.
  When it was suggested that his father was Arthur Harris i found Arthur Harris in the Visitations of Essex and it lists him as only having one child named William, which I posted in a reply.
  I was simply hoping that someone smarter then I, that might have a subscription could help me find a record.  I have no problem being decended from a cow farmer. His decendents have contributed fiercely and bravely to protect our freedoms. Some parachuted into Germany during WWII. Some flew Bombers in Germany and the Pacific. Some like my Father landed on beaches and bravely fought to end the War. Some were artists and poets and Newspaper editors. Some were doctors and Ministers. I am fine not being decended from an ancestor that burned women and children alive because of their religion, such as Arthur's son William did.
 Again, I really do appreciate the time it took you to send me the links and am sorry if my posts in any way upset you. I know that a lot of people do just blindly copy information that they find. I am just trying to give a gift of accurate family ancestory to my children before i die... whatever it may be.
sincerely, marjorie

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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Friday 13 December 13 08:48 GMT (UK)  »
Supermoussi. Thank you for all of your time and your help. May I ask How you know the pritwells and Haltropes wernt related? I am just trying to understand.  Thank you again. I will try the other board.
Marjorie

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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Friday 13 December 13 06:36 GMT (UK)  »
 Hello, First I want to thank everyone for helping me.  I live on a dirt road out in the country and am having to use Dial up which slows down my record finding a lot. Also, my ignorance as how to find records. I have spent many, many hours trying to find the original will for John Harris and his wife Ann Annis. The will info i have, i found on the internet.
   I have what i think are his childrens birth dates, so it does appear that they would have been Quite young in 1544.

  *wife Anne Annis(1512-1585)
  *Children
Alice Harris1534 – 1585
William Harris1536 – 1599
John Harris1540 –
Joan Harris1541 –
 I have found out on Ancestory that quite a few trees list him as the son Of Arthur Harris, but i cannot find any proof. I found Arthur in the Visitations of Essex but it only lists one son, William. I dont know if that record is complete but its why I am trying to verify my information. I was hoping to find a birth record or such for John,....anything that would list his parents.  I have Ancestory.com in the USA but it won't let me look at any probate or other records of any kind someone uses for a reference if it is listed in the UK. They want an extra subscription fee for that privilege. So, I try to trace the record down on line without usually much success.  One UK probate record was listed on ancestory as a record for John but i could not access it. It did give me the following info, however I have no idea if it is correctly for him:
 GLOUCESTERSHIRE PROBATE RECORDs
UK, Extracted Probate Records, 1269-1975
about Harris, John
Name: Harris, John
Place: Hatherop, Gloucestershire, England
Book: Burialls 1604. (Burial) 
Collection: Gloucestershire: - Calendar of Wills, Court of Bishop of Gloucester, 1541-1650
Volume: Calendar of Gloucestershire Wills.
Chapter: 1623.
Text: Harris, John, Hatherop
 
When i tried to find it all i could find is this...and again, i don't know if it is him or how to access the record:An index for
WILLS 1541 - 1545
Contact: Leslie Mahler

Complete Documents can be seen on L.D.S. Film #0091371 obtainable at your local L.D.S. Family History Library.


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HARRIS, John - Quedgeley 1544
HARRIS, John - of Quedgeley.
Probate Gloucester 1544. Researched from LDS Film #0091371.
[Wills abstracted by Leslie Mahler in 1998: Gloucester 1541-1545]

I don't know if this is the same John

Again, Thank you for all of your Help. I wouldn't ask if i knew where else to turn.
Marjorie

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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Wednesday 11 December 13 10:08 GMT (UK)  »
I found this on a member connect at ancestory so i have no idea if its accurate. I can't acccess UK records   and i am on dial up  so it is a long, painful process for me, with no results in record finding.
 "Marraige 1533 in Hatherup, , Gloucestershire, England to  Anne Harris "

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Essex / Re: Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Wednesday 11 December 13 09:58 GMT (UK)  »
I found this Millinium file. I don't know what source creates it but i dont believe the death date is correct on it because of the probate date on the will:
Millennium File
about John Harris Name: John Harris
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1513
Birth Place: Hathreop, Gloucs, England
Death Date: 1554
Marriage Date: 1533
Spouse: Anne Annis
Children: William Harris; Alice Harris; John Harris
 
 If it has one mistake it may have more

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Essex / Searching for the Parents of John Percy Harris
« on: Wednesday 11 December 13 06:59 GMT (UK)  »
I am looking for the parents of John Percy harris . I believe he was born in Essex England in 1513 and died in Holtherop, Glouscestershire England in 1544. He was married to Anne Annis and had 4 children, Alice, William, John and Joan. I found his will and that of his wifes....but after months of searching i cannot find any proof of who his parents were and I would really appreciate any guidance as where else to look.  Following is the will as taken from Bethia:
JOHN HARRIS 1513-1554 .
John Harris, yeoman, of Hartherup, co. Gloucester, was born at least as early as 1513.  He married Anne or Annis _____, perhaps about the year 1533.  His will, dated October 22, 1533, and proved June 4, 1544, left the lease of the house in which he dwelt to his daughter Alice Winchcombe, and, if she should die before it expired, the remainder of the term was to belong to her daughter.  His two sons, WILLIAM (our direct ancester)and John Harris, received seventy-two acres of land occupied by William Carney, a sheep pasture and also ten sheep and a bullock apiece.  The residuary legatee and executrix was his wife Anne Harris, and John Sermon. Peter Fathers and John Chapleyn were named overseers.  The witnesses were John George, William Manne and John Sermon..
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The will of Anne Harris, widow, of Hatherup, was made June 17, 1585, and proved Febuary 5, 1585/6.  She gave to her daughter Alice Winchkome (Winchcombe) a new gown, three sheets, etc., and made small personal gifts to (GRANDCHILDREN??) Anne, James, John, Thomas Winchkome & ALSO William Harris the younger, Anthony Harris and John Harris the younger, Joan Reve, Alice Kirbie, George and Marie Vincen and Elizabeth Robins.  The residuary legatee and executor was Richard Harris..
 Sincerely, Marjorie Harris McLean

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Burial Records
« on: Sunday 08 December 13 01:41 GMT (UK)  »
Keziah,
  Thank you very much for looking into my Ancestors burial records for me. It was very nice of you to take the time to help.
Marjorie

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