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Essex / Re: London Custom House??
« on: Thursday 30 January 14 12:05 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: geno500 on Thursday 30 January 14 11:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Deb yes that is the map if you look at the bottom you will see cable street click on that the map it is interactive,so you will get only that bit of map,I would also add there is a 1846 map and a 1827 map that one shows that the area still ahd open space and produce being grown but by 1846 most of that had gone also Back Street in the 1859 map was called Back Lane on the older maps

Yep, got it, great!!
Now all I need to do is find out the "why's" and "what" to her being there...it's like this little old mystery that HAS to be solved!! Not clear on my next steps as unless I get anything else, I'm kind of trapped in the east end of London... ;) Who knows where this is all leading but I'm loving it lol
Thanks for your brilliant input!!

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Essex / Re: London Custom House??
« on: Thursday 30 January 14 11:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the link, went and had another look but having trouble identifying the streets...is this what you were talking about or am I looking at another wrong map? hahaha
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/map1859_g-l_25-30.html

Quote from: geno500 on Thursday 30 January 14 10:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Debs neither of those two maps are any good they do not go down far enough,but you are in the right area,try and find Dr John Snows interactive map of London 1859,he was a doctor who mapped the Cholera outbreaks from 1818 to 1860's this map does not show the outbreaks it is a great map because you can move it around,I looked at your postings again,and I missed what the man said at the trial,he said I came to Well Street just as I came Cable street,well on that map Well Street is marked and half way down is a chapel marked with a cross ,it is not a church because St Georges is only two streets away.I am never very good at giving web sites to look at but this should show you the tiny bit of map that has what you want if it does not work just use the front bit and look at the whole map www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/snow/1859map/map/1859_1_25.html 

Best Regards.

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Essex / Re: London Custom House??
« on: Thursday 30 January 14 04:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hey Gen....again your help is beyond awesome, and I just wanted to ask if you could be more precise with the census info ie: London census?...have grabbed a couple of maps, not sure they are the right ones but believe this hunt for Jane is narrowing!! Here's a link to one, would you mind looking at it (when you have more time that is) just to see if I'm on the right track? http://www.stgite.org.uk/library/stjohns1878map.jpg
http://www.stgite.org.uk/media/stjohnsparish.html
Also, with the area of St Mathew's church in St George, was that situated on Pell Street?
Hope I'm not bombarding you with work!!
Anyway, good to know I'm in the right area and possibly once I start looking through the census will have more to go on :) Thanks again!
Deb ;)


Quote from: geno500 on Wednesday 29 January 14 12:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Debs with nothing to do this morning,I decided to have a look for you,at the time your ancestor was arrested,Cable Street was not as long as it became later.the road was a long one but at that time Cable street only made up a small bit of it at the Aldgate End,that is the city end,the road then changed to Back Road and then it became Sun Tavern road and then Brook St,,all these became Cable street later,so Back Road was the same road a Cable Street  and just below Back Road was St Georges Church,the map you need is John Snows interactive map of London 1859 it is free,best of luck. ;D

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Essex / Re: London Custom House??
« on: Wednesday 29 January 14 10:05 GMT (UK)  »
G'day geno500 and thank you so MUCH!

Your information is brilliant and I am wondering if Cable Street was anywhere near to Back Church Lane??? After I left the initial post here, I went looking again, and THINK I am getting closer....when you said the Whitechapel area (Ripper) I had goosebumps all over!! hahaha
Jane was born in Ireland(Dublin) but the most I was able to learn of her days prior to arriving in England are next to nothing. I did, however locate her baptism details (if in fact it is my Jane Green) and if correct, her mother's name was Mary. Not a great deal there, and so my search continues....meanwhile, am sticking to her last known whereabouts being what appears to be the 'seedy end of town', and who knows where or why she was even here to begin with? This is a challenge I have set for myself, not giving up until I get the answers! Anyhow, again, a huge "thank you" for not only bothering to respond, but for supplying further details of that period...should you have any other tips please feel free to drop them here or my email...cheers!


Quote from: geno500 on Sunday 26 January 14 14:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Deb   The area you are trying to explore in London is not easy,in those days it was a rabbit warren of small streets and yards, the gentleman who got robbed lived at Coburg Terrace Poplar in the parish of St Marys,but he said he was dinning with friends and was on his way home,the Mill Yard mentioned is likely to be the one off Cable Street,which is probably the most notorious street in the East End of London,the man would have been about 3/4 of a mile from his home,to reinforce that the policeman was from H division the famous Ripper division based at Whitechapel which covered the are area where you ancestor was arrested,just where you start looking for the family back from Jane will be difficult,I would try Ancestry,they have the London Parish records online,at least you have a rough idea of her age the target area will be any of the parish along the Thames from Wapping to St George in the East,and also Stepney ,Poplar,and Ratcliff,to name a few,one thing for sure your ancestor did herself a lot of good being transported to Australia,her life in that area of London in those days would have been short.

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Essex / Re: London Custom House??
« on: Tuesday 19 November 13 13:59 GMT (UK)  »
G'day to everyone here,
(where to start)...ok, my name's Debbie (Deb), and for as long as I can remember I've been fascinated in the process of tracing one's family tree, and with some help, have managed to trace mine as far back as 1816 to when my great grandmother (x5) was born-Jane Green
BothJ ane and my great grandfather, John Melvey, met and married soon after arriving as convicts here in Australia. Jane arrived 1834 and John in 1830.
Have gone really well with everything going forward, but my search has taken me back to the Old Bailey and Jane's sentencing...it was here that I had hoped to trace her whereabouts leading up to her arrest, and according to the details of the court, she had been living somewhere in a place called Mill Yard.
The defendant,(Henry Godwin) lists his address as no 4, Coberg-terrace, Bow-road, and says he is(was) a waiter in the Custom-house. He goes on to say he was approached by a female (Jane) at the top of Wells Street......I have googled these details to death, and somehow landed here on this forum.....the document also described the house Jane had been staying at as "in a nook next to a chapel"......and having researched, realise that this area is probably teeming with chapels!

Am hoping against hope that someone here might be able to give me a new lead, even possibly some street names or areas where I could continue my search.

Thanks for reading  ;)
Deb Stevens

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