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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Saturday 23 November 13 09:03 GMT (UK)  »
Justin, great news!  I now have photos of Colman and Sarah's headstones, courtesy of Ken Bolton of Genpals.  Great lead you provided, so thanks again.  The inscriptions are all in Hebrew so I"m in the process of getting them translated. 

One thing though: the records for Skierniewice lists the marriage of Colman (Kalman) and Sarah and the birth of most of the kids, but not Colman and Sarah's births.  I expanded the search at JRI-Poland to all of Poland, but still came up zilch.  Which got me to thinking that perhaps they were born elsewhere.  Then I ran across this: the U. S. Naturalization application for one of the kids, Abram aka Sam Gold (born around 1895 or 1896).  He states on the app that he was born in Soroki, Russia, which looks to be in present day Maldova.  First I've heard of this, and I don't think he could have just pulled this out of the air, so maybe there's something to it.  Which then got me thinking that this might be where Kalman and Sarah are originally from.  Not sure if the headstone inscriptions would indicate this or not, but regardless, is there a way to search for records in Soroki (seems to also be spelled Soroka) similar to JRI-Poland? 

thx,
Mark

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 21:42 GMT (UK)  »
Ok thanks.  I guess it's about time I subscribe myself.  :)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 21:34 GMT (UK)  »
That's just Awesome, and you guys are Awesome for the wealth of information you've given me!  I can't thank you enough!

BTW, Justin, can you tell me where you obtained the burial information? I haven't been able to locate this myself.

Mark

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 20:44 GMT (UK)  »
Whoa!  How would one go about doing that?  I'm no where near Enfield Cemetary nor do I plan to be anytime soon.  I'm located in southern California.
Mark

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 18:22 GMT (UK)  »
Justin, I just noticed something.  In your last post you stated:

Shayeh Pulman (groom) married Khayeh Diament (bride) in Skierniewice in 1889.

But in a previous post you stated:

Kalman Diament married Szejwa (Shey-va) Pulman in 1887.

Did these pieces of info come from different sources?  I'm wondering why the difference?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 18:16 GMT (UK)  »
No apologies necessary AVM288, I appreciate all the inputs I can get.  And yes, there is what looked to me like an "f" between "his" and "mark" on the document, but I didn't know what this was or meant. Now I can see clearly that it is an X somewhat angled backwards.  Regardless, and as you and Justin pointed out, now I know that "his mark" means the handwriting on the document was not my great-grandfathers. 

And Justin, yes that's extremely useful information on the burials of Colman and Sarah.  I did see the record of a Colman Diamond in 1940, but didn't order the death certificate because of my past bad luck in spending money and coming up wrong.  The fact that Sarah is next to him clinches this.  Where did you get the burial plot information?  Would there be any useful information on the death certificates, were I to order them now?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 16:42 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for the response Justin!  I can access the Skierniewice website and so I'll get to work on this as well as dash off a note to Joe Ross.  Thanks greatly for this pointers.
 
Insofar as the birth locations of Rose and Jacob, the 1911 Census is signed by Kalmen Diamond and that handwriting appears to be the same as the other filled out information.  I think I read somewhere that this was as intended, the census information was filled out by the families themselves and not the census takers.  What do you think?  And what's the likelyhood, if Kalmen was not able to read or write English, that someone would have actually signed the census form for him?

Also, what are your guesses/thoughts about what Rose's true given Jewish name would have been (I'm assuming not Rose)?

Lastly, in a previous post, you mentioned "registered" as opposed to "birth (i.e.,Pincus Diamant registered in 1888).  Can I assume registered means birth?  If so, I'm wondering why brothers Josek and Abram were registered in the same year, 1896, considering the census shows them 2 years apart? Were births not "registered" immediately as they happened?

Thanks!
Mark

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Monday 18 November 13 02:01 GMT (UK)  »
To AVM228,
Blimey AGAIN!!  Yes, we knew all that you mentioned in your first paragraph because of the Ellis Island record on Aaron.  The stowaway story is well know in my family, although we don't really know why.  He was given the option to join the U.S. Cavalry for two years or be deported.  Needless to say, he chose the Cavalry after which he applied for and got U.S. Citizenship.  What was lost on us was Aby Diamond, as no one in the family knew who this was.  We were aware, however that he joined his brother in the U.S., but his brother had changed his name to Sam Gold.  No one knew his real name and this really complicated the search.  Sam's birthdate that he listed on his passport application in 1922 was March 10, 1895, which of course now jives nearly perfectly with what you found on "Abey" Diamond's WW1 Draft card.  The two brothers made their living as tailors in the U.S., and lived in Philidelphia which also lines up with his draft card reporting.  The details are filling in REALLY QUICKLY, thanks to you and Justin, so I can't thank you enough!!  This has been decades in the making, and the gating item was the release of the 1911 England Census.  So referring to that Census, there is an Abraham, age 16, and a Joseph, age 18 listed.  I'm presuming Abey would be Abraham in this case?  Do you know Abey to be a nickname for Abraham?  Strange because on the census, Abraham is listed as a bootmaker while Joseph is listed as a tailor.  I suppose after age 16, Abraham could have decided to be a tailor instead.  Again, would Abey most likely be Abraham? 

Thanks again!!

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Where in Russia ?
« on: Sunday 17 November 13 21:46 GMT (UK)  »
Justin, all I can say is Blimey and THANK YOU!!!!   There is now NO doubt that this is in fact my long lost family.  I say that for this reason:  I've been pouring through a letter written by a elderly relative 10 years ago who names many names she was trying to recall from the distant past.  I've found a few of these successfully on Free BMD, but she mentioned that somewhere in our ancestry there was a Shana Pullman but she didn't know who this could be.  I could NEVER find anything on this.  Then you mentioned Szejwa (Shey-va) Pulman !!!!  WOW!  REALLY BIG WOW!  We've always heard that Kalmen's wife was named Sarah, but didn't know a maiden name.  Not too hard to figure now, that Szejwa IS Sarah!!  This is just so incredible I can't believe it!  My dad is now 87, has cancer, and I"m racing now to fill the details that even he doesn't know about his father Aaron's origins.  He didn't still had his doubts when I showed him the Census record last night, as there are some conflicts with what he had been told and has believed all his life.  One key conflict/question that I would LOVE to find out is if Rose and Jacob were born in Skierniewice, or in London.  My Dad was always told that Aaron was the last to be born in Russia/Poland and the family moved when Aaron was just a few months old.  But I've never been able to find a British birth certificate on Rose and Jacob.  And Kalmen's census record says they were all born in Russia.  Would be great to find this out!   Can you continue to assist me, and if so, how can I repay you? !!  Thanks again Justin!

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