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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Lowestoft Fishing Records
« on: Wednesday 28 January 26 14:53 GMT (UK)  »
I imagine that you have the newspaper reports about the bigamy case in Dundee (1902), but have you seen those for the accidental deaths of children in 1885 and 1892?

I have those, thanks

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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Lowestoft Fishing Records
« on: Wednesday 28 January 26 14:52 GMT (UK)  »
Have you asked the Lowestoft Maritime Museum?

https://lowestoftmaritimemuseum.co.uk/online-archive/

I've e-mailed them - hopefully I'll get a response

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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Re: Lowestoft Fishing Records
« on: Tuesday 27 January 26 17:16 GMT (UK)  »
Carole.  Most of the information relating to Peter Walker has been verified apart from the actual date and location of birth and death, or his parentage. I was hoping to track down an official record of him being issued with the Smack Master's certificate.

 The Liverpool parents  Walker / Blackburn are guesses at best.  His marriage to Florence Gertrude Swan and their children are all verified.
 
1911 welsh census has a Peter boarding in house as a deep sea fisher man.- status married. Given the discrepancy over his DOB from Marriage Record, Census returns and Prison record. There is nothing to confirm that this is 'our' Peter.  Census indicates that Peter spoke English and Welsh - which gives some credence to him actually having been from Wales rather than Liverpool

1911 Brooke Avenue Milford Haven
Richard Sanderson      58   head  - Trawl Fisherman
Nancy Sanderson         59  wife
Sushannah Sanderson  24  daughter
Sophia Sanderson   46       boarder
Richard Sanderson  15     g son
Lilian Brittin     4   gdau
Spouse Brittin  2    gson
Peter Walker  49     boarder - Trawl Fisherman pob Liverpool

1915 register of electors - a Peter is registered at 5 Brooke Ave - Milford Haven

Marriage certificate for his son Peter Robert Walker states that father (also Peter Robert Walker) was deceased. (1915) - however given the bigamous marriage he may well have been told that his father had died!  It's the only reference I have that his father Peter may have had a middle name

Marriage record for his youngest son Richard Victor Hugh Walker in 1920 does not mention that his father Peter is deceased.

The 1921 Census of England, Wales, IOM, Channels Islands and Scotland have failed to unearth a Peter Walker of the  correct age (+/- 5 years) who was a fisherman / sailor.  It's probably safe to assume that Peter had died prior to 1921.

It puts the  following records into question - and also whether it was actually 'Our' Peter who was in the 1911 census at Milford Haven

1924 register of electors a Peter is listed at John Cory Sailor's Rest and Bethel, Charles St, Milford Haven
1926 register of electors a Peter Walker at 15 Marblehall Terrace, Milford Haven - renting one furnished room.

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Suffolk Lookup Requests / Lowestoft Fishing Records
« on: Tuesday 27 January 26 14:38 GMT (UK)  »
I'm trying to trace more information on my GGF Peter Walker. According to police records he had a smack-master certificate no 2147 issued in Lowestoft. It was probably issued before 1892 - as the birth record of one of his sons shows that Peter was a Smacksman.  I'm just wondering if any official records of his certificate exist, and whether they can shed any light on his actual age and place of birth. 

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Wednesday 02 April 25 11:58 BST (UK)  »
This Peter Walker is the right age - death Mar 1929 West Derby Lancs age 68

Maybe he could be ruled out just in case

When do you last have your Peter alive for definite?  Not in 1921 anywhere?

Can the Charles St or  Marblehall Terrace addresses be found to see if he was at either  :-\

Last definite date for Peter alive is his release from Prison in March 1902.

It's prompted me to search the marriage certificates for two of his other children who were married between 1908 and 1913  children 

There is a census record for a Peter Walker lodging at Milford Haven in 1911 - but the fact that he was a trawl fisherman POB  Liverpool is possibly just a coincidence.

His Son's marriage record from 1915 indicates Father deceased.
My grandmother's marriage record from 1916 also notes Father deceased

The Milford Haven register of electors from 1915 and into the 1920's has a Peter Walker at the various addresses.  He doesn't appear in the 1921 census - but he may possibly have been at sea.  I've not been able to track down that section of the 1921 census.

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Friday 28 March 25 21:35 GMT (UK)  »
Maybe a complete red herring, but one to rule out, there maybe others, not checked.

Looking at the Caernarvonshire census for a Peter (no surname) there is a Peter Evans with likely grandparents due to their age.

1871 Bangor
Henry Evans 69 Head
Jane Evans 69 Wife
Peter Evans   10   Son Liverpool

1861 has Poter Evans age 11mths born Birkenhead, with a Henry & Jane. Not sure same family as different address. Possible registration Jun Q 1860 Wirral. No mother maiden so illegitimate.

There is also a John & Ellen/Eleanor living Pwllheli in 1871 with a son Peter b 1859 but surname is Lewis.
 
In my experience if no records show, there has been a truth stretched. Peter may likely be illegitimate and parents unmarried.

Could have easily travelled or lived at Pwllheli after 1871

Genuki - Pwllheli was a sub-port of Beaumaris between 1840 and 1844 and a sub-port of Caernarfon after 1844. The ports were responsible to the Crown for the registration of shipping and the collection of duties on imports; their shipping registers record details of vessels including the owner, the master, changes of owner, and the eventual fate of the vessel...."

Cas

The Lewis name may may be a line worth following.  Peter and Florence's 10th child was Alfred Lewis Walker.  Peter and Florence's 9th child was Peter Robert Walker who emigrated to Canada - and his 5th Child was Donald Lewis Walker.  There was certainly no Lewis ancestor on the Swann side of the family - so it seems odd that the Lewis name crops up twice in Peter's family.   

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Friday 28 March 25 11:54 GMT (UK)  »
Fathers on marriage certificates weren’t always noted as deceased. 

Often just the fathers name was given so the fact a son in 1921 didn’t say father deceased doesn’t mean he wasn’t. 

Have you checked out Scottish births for him.  Why would he be sent to Dundee?

Checked Scottish Births and deaths with no success.  He was arrested in Dundee and sent to Norwich to face the desertion charge brought by his legal wife - my GGM Florence Gertrude Swan - he was then sent back to Dundee to face the bigamy charge for which he was subsequently imprisoned for 30 days at Dundee. 

I've been unable to trace him following his release from prison.

1911 welsh census has a Peter boarding in house as a deep sea fisher man - status married. POB Liverpool. There is a discrepancy over his DOB from Marriage Record, Census returns and Prison record. There is nothing to confirm that this is 'our' Peter,  however the census indicates that Peter spoke English and Welsh - which gives some credence to him actually having possibly been brought up in Wales rather than Liverpool. One of my cousins in the US spoke to one of Peter's grandsons before he died, and he recollected that he was told his grandfather was Welsh but had never met him as his parents emigrated to Canada, and he was born in Canada.

1924 register of electors a Peter is listed at John Cory Sailor's Rest and Bethel, Charles St, Milford Haven - he would have been around 65 years old at the time

1926 register of electors a Peter Walker at 15 Marblehall Terrace, Milford Haven - renting one furnished room - this would have made him around 67 years old.

I've not been able to find any death record in Wales for a Peter of anything like the correct age.

My father was born in 1920 and the only thing I recollect him saying was that his mother had told him that her father - Peter Walker - was 'a wrong un'
 

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Friday 28 March 25 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
Yes - a direct descendant.  My GM was his daughter - Rhoda Gertrude Walker. I am also in contact with two distant cousins in the USA one of whom is descended from my Grandmother's elder brother - and the other from one of her younger brothers!  I only started on my research some years after my father and his siblings had died - so have no one to ask regarding any memories they may have or stories they'd been told. 

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Thursday 27 March 25 20:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have all of those documents - The Scottish record gives his father as John Walker (deceased) - a seaman.  His mother is named Helen ( also dec) - but no maiden surname. His first marriage at Lowestoft in 1882 to my GGM just gives his father's name as John Walker - a Sailor.  1881 Census record places Peter on board a fishing vessel at Lowestoft - his place of birth is given as Liverpool.  I'm pretty certain that it is the correct Peter, as one of his crew mates was one of the witnesses at his wedding.  I also have a record of Peter being indentured as an apprentice for 3.5 years on board a fishing vessel at Lowestoft in 1877 - age 17 ( ties in with his age at marriage and 1881 census).  The indenture gives his place of birth a Pwllheli.  This ties in with his arrest warrant that also indicates he was from Pwllheli.  I've been unable to locate the birth of a Peter Walker in Pwllheli or the surrounding area within 10 years of his given birth date, or any likely looking Walkers in the 1861 Census records. None of the Liverpool area births had parents named John & Helen - and none of the 'Johns' were apparently sailors.  Desperately trying to break through this brick wall. Other distant relatives (in the USA) are also trying to solve the puzzle - and have posted their assumptions on the various LDS sites - however all I've been able to do is disprove or add significant question marks against them.  Nothing seems to tie up.

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