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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Wednesday 02 April 25 11:58 BST (UK)  »
This Peter Walker is the right age - death Mar 1929 West Derby Lancs age 68

Maybe he could be ruled out just in case

When do you last have your Peter alive for definite?  Not in 1921 anywhere?

Can the Charles St or  Marblehall Terrace addresses be found to see if he was at either  :-\

Last definite date for Peter alive is his release from Prison in March 1902.

It's prompted me to search the marriage certificates for two of his other children who were married between 1908 and 1913  children 

There is a census record for a Peter Walker lodging at Milford Haven in 1911 - but the fact that he was a trawl fisherman POB  Liverpool is possibly just a coincidence.

His Son's marriage record from 1915 indicates Father deceased.
My grandmother's marriage record from 1916 also notes Father deceased

The Milford Haven register of electors from 1915 and into the 1920's has a Peter Walker at the various addresses.  He doesn't appear in the 1921 census - but he may possibly have been at sea.  I've not been able to track down that section of the 1921 census.

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Friday 28 March 25 21:35 GMT (UK)  »
Maybe a complete red herring, but one to rule out, there maybe others, not checked.

Looking at the Caernarvonshire census for a Peter (no surname) there is a Peter Evans with likely grandparents due to their age.

1871 Bangor
Henry Evans 69 Head
Jane Evans 69 Wife
Peter Evans   10   Son Liverpool

1861 has Poter Evans age 11mths born Birkenhead, with a Henry & Jane. Not sure same family as different address. Possible registration Jun Q 1860 Wirral. No mother maiden so illegitimate.

There is also a John & Ellen/Eleanor living Pwllheli in 1871 with a son Peter b 1859 but surname is Lewis.
 
In my experience if no records show, there has been a truth stretched. Peter may likely be illegitimate and parents unmarried.

Could have easily travelled or lived at Pwllheli after 1871

Genuki - Pwllheli was a sub-port of Beaumaris between 1840 and 1844 and a sub-port of Caernarfon after 1844. The ports were responsible to the Crown for the registration of shipping and the collection of duties on imports; their shipping registers record details of vessels including the owner, the master, changes of owner, and the eventual fate of the vessel...."

Cas

The Lewis name may may be a line worth following.  Peter and Florence's 10th child was Alfred Lewis Walker.  Peter and Florence's 9th child was Peter Robert Walker who emigrated to Canada - and his 5th Child was Donald Lewis Walker.  There was certainly no Lewis ancestor on the Swann side of the family - so it seems odd that the Lewis name crops up twice in Peter's family.   

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Friday 28 March 25 11:54 GMT (UK)  »
Fathers on marriage certificates weren’t always noted as deceased. 

Often just the fathers name was given so the fact a son in 1921 didn’t say father deceased doesn’t mean he wasn’t. 

Have you checked out Scottish births for him.  Why would he be sent to Dundee?

Checked Scottish Births and deaths with no success.  He was arrested in Dundee and sent to Norwich to face the desertion charge brought by his legal wife - my GGM Florence Gertrude Swan - he was then sent back to Dundee to face the bigamy charge for which he was subsequently imprisoned for 30 days at Dundee. 

I've been unable to trace him following his release from prison.

1911 welsh census has a Peter boarding in house as a deep sea fisher man - status married. POB Liverpool. There is a discrepancy over his DOB from Marriage Record, Census returns and Prison record. There is nothing to confirm that this is 'our' Peter,  however the census indicates that Peter spoke English and Welsh - which gives some credence to him actually having possibly been brought up in Wales rather than Liverpool. One of my cousins in the US spoke to one of Peter's grandsons before he died, and he recollected that he was told his grandfather was Welsh but had never met him as his parents emigrated to Canada, and he was born in Canada.

1924 register of electors a Peter is listed at John Cory Sailor's Rest and Bethel, Charles St, Milford Haven - he would have been around 65 years old at the time

1926 register of electors a Peter Walker at 15 Marblehall Terrace, Milford Haven - renting one furnished room - this would have made him around 67 years old.

I've not been able to find any death record in Wales for a Peter of anything like the correct age.

My father was born in 1920 and the only thing I recollect him saying was that his mother had told him that her father - Peter Walker - was 'a wrong un'
 

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Friday 28 March 25 10:49 GMT (UK)  »
Yes - a direct descendant.  My GM was his daughter - Rhoda Gertrude Walker. I am also in contact with two distant cousins in the USA one of whom is descended from my Grandmother's elder brother - and the other from one of her younger brothers!  I only started on my research some years after my father and his siblings had died - so have no one to ask regarding any memories they may have or stories they'd been told. 

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Norfolk / Re: Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Thursday 27 March 25 20:26 GMT (UK)  »
I have all of those documents - The Scottish record gives his father as John Walker (deceased) - a seaman.  His mother is named Helen ( also dec) - but no maiden surname. His first marriage at Lowestoft in 1882 to my GGM just gives his father's name as John Walker - a Sailor.  1881 Census record places Peter on board a fishing vessel at Lowestoft - his place of birth is given as Liverpool.  I'm pretty certain that it is the correct Peter, as one of his crew mates was one of the witnesses at his wedding.  I also have a record of Peter being indentured as an apprentice for 3.5 years on board a fishing vessel at Lowestoft in 1877 - age 17 ( ties in with his age at marriage and 1881 census).  The indenture gives his place of birth a Pwllheli.  This ties in with his arrest warrant that also indicates he was from Pwllheli.  I've been unable to locate the birth of a Peter Walker in Pwllheli or the surrounding area within 10 years of his given birth date, or any likely looking Walkers in the 1861 Census records. None of the Liverpool area births had parents named John & Helen - and none of the 'Johns' were apparently sailors.  Desperately trying to break through this brick wall. Other distant relatives (in the USA) are also trying to solve the puzzle - and have posted their assumptions on the various LDS sites - however all I've been able to do is disprove or add significant question marks against them.  Nothing seems to tie up.

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Norfolk / Peter Walker - Norwich / Lowestoft Prison Records - 1901/2
« on: Thursday 27 March 25 16:05 GMT (UK)  »
I'm trying to trace more detailed records regarding my GGF Peter Walker b abt 1860 - in particular relating to his apprehension in a case of deserting his wife and children, and his subsequent transfer to Dundee where he was convicted of Bigamy.  I'm trying to find if there are any clues relating to his parentage - and where he went following his discharge from prison at Dundee.  I have details of his arrest warrant and also the record of his imprisonment in Dundee.  Various other official documents I have relate to him being a resident of Lowestoft  - proven - (from where he deserted his family) and also him being a native of Pwllheli yet the certificate of his marriage to my GGM states he was from Liverpool.  I've not been able to validate any of the potential birth records for him, and have also been unable to establish a death date. One of his sons who was married in 1915 stated that his father was deceased - however a younger son's marriage certificate in 1921 fails to indicate he was deceased.

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England / Re: Bigamy? Faked death? Amazing coincidence? Something else?
« on: Monday 17 February 25 14:03 GMT (UK)  »
You're certainly not the first to have come across a bigamist from Liverpool. -- No relation to yours, but my GGF apparently was from Liverpool, and was a fisherman who married my GGM in Lowestoft.  He deserted my GGM and her children after around 17 years, had a warrant issued for his arrest, and was subsequently arrested and convicted of bigamy in Dundee!  He has proved to be an elusive character with no verifiable records of either his birth or death.

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Walker family - Pwllheli 1860 - 1877
« on: Friday 14 February 25 14:07 GMT (UK)  »
No idea about his death. 

The marriage record of one of his sons in 1915 states father deceased, however the marriage cert of his younger son from 1920 gives no mention of Peter being deceased.

We have concrete evidence in 1901 census when he was living in Dundee with the woman he bigamously married. In 1902 he was convicted and imprisoned, and the marriage annulled.
He obviously did not stay with the woman in Dundee as she married in 1906.

There is nothing to suggest that he returned to his legal wife in Lowestoft, but there is also no record of a divorce. In the 1911 and 1921 census there is no mention of Peter living with my GGM and their children.

A Peter Walker of the correct age appears in the 1911 census at Milford Haven as a lodger - he was a trawl fisherman - as was the head of the household. A Peter Walker also appears in the Milford Haven register of electors in 1915, and again in the 1924 and 1826. Whether this is the same Peter is open to question.  There appear to be no deaths in Wales for Peter Walker of the correct sort of ages between 1911 and 1939!

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Caernarvonshire / Re: Walker family - Pwllheli 1860 - 1877
« on: Thursday 13 February 25 20:24 GMT (UK)  »
The 1861 birth record in West Derby gives the father's occupation as Labourer, not Mariner / Sailor.

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