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Armed Forces / Re: Foot Guards Detachment, North Camp Aldershot
« on: Sunday 09 February 14 19:07 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: km1971 on Sunday 13 October 13 19:13 BST (UK)
They would only have kept his service record if he earned a pension. Then it was after two times ten year enlistments. Or a temporary one if he was invalided out. Have you found him in a later census?

I will check the records of the men around him.

Ken

Hello again,

apologies for leaving it so late.  I've had another look at the people around Robert Berry in the 1861 census, and tried to find service records for them, but it was inconclusive to me which guards they were in.  I was wondering whether you had more luck than me in trying to identify the guards detachment for Robert Berry?

Thanks,
Phil

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Armed Forces / Re: Foot Guards Detachment, North Camp Aldershot
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 19:23 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

yes I have him on the 1871 census as a licensed victualler.  He was a valet until at least 1864 (according to one son's birth certificate), and became a publican around 1868 (according to another son's baptism record).  He was born in 1834, so he may well have been able to complete his 21 years service.  However, he died in 1874 of acute rheumatism, which was quite young.  Not sure if that suggests he suffered from something in the Army?

it doesn't appear that he drew a pension (again, no information from findmypast or ancestry).

Many thanks,

Philip

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Armed Forces / Re: Foot Guards Detachment, North Camp Aldershot
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 18:35 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

a quick update.  I've had a look at the census return for a Corporal immediately 'above' Robert Berry in the census, and a Sergeant immediately 'below' Robert in the census.  According to the Chelsea pensioner records on findmypast, the Corporal was in the Grenadier Guards, and the Sergeant was in the Coldstream Guards!

The list of names is

Corporal (Giles Lewis), Grenadier Guards
Wife
Visitor
Robert Berry Soldier (occupation, Servant)
Sergeant (Stephen Darling), Coldstream Guards
Sergeant, Coldstream Guards
Sergeant
Corporal etc, Coldstream Guards
Private etc

Which may indicate that he belonged to the Corporal or above, in the Grenadier Guards?

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Armed Forces / Re: Foot Guards Detachment, North Camp Aldershot
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 17:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi Ken,

many thanks for your reply.  Looking at the census, it seems that all the officers are at the beginning on the census, followed by the soldiers with corporals and sergeants.  Nevertheless, I shall try to find out information about those either side of Robert Berry.

Would Robert have had a service record even if only a soldier / valet or servant?

Thanks,
Philip

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Armed Forces / Re: Foot Guards Detachment, North Camp Aldershot
« on: Sunday 13 October 13 13:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I too have a relative on this census return, Robert Berry, who was a Valet (I guess to an officer).  I have contacted both the Grenadier Guards and the Coldstream Guards who unfortunately can find no record of his service with them.

I was wondering whether as a Valet, whether Robert would have seen active service and if not if that is why his service record does not exist?  He is listed as a Soldier, so I guess he probably did?

I had a look at the officers names on the beginning of the census return, and the majority seem to be from the Coldstream Guards, though one may also have been with the Scots Guards, so I am still not entirely clear.

Have you been able to get any further with your query?

Thanks,

Philip

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