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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Friday 18 October 13 09:33 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to all if the start to my post about Thomas McCarthy implied that you all knew the information. This was me just being lazy and cutting and pasting an email that I sent to my Family History Society for a brick wall meeting about John McCarthy and Mary Quin. Just thought that I would clarify.

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Friday 18 October 13 09:31 BST (UK)  »
JM - I hope that you are safe and well. I am trying to answer as many questions as I can from various people that are posting information but I am struggling to keep up. I am away for the weekend but will make contact early next week. Once again, I hope that you and your family are safe and well.

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Thursday 17 October 13 11:34 BST (UK)  »
Information about Thomas McCarthy - son of Mary Quin and John McCarthy (as requested)! It is also a good family story but a tragedy.

As you know, Thomas was the youngest son of John and Mary and was born in Kilmore, Victoria on 08 June 1858. Other variations of Thomas’s birth place include Weddin Mountains and Lachlan River as recorded on his children’s birth records. Kilmore also pops up a couple of times. The family were making their way north when Mary McCarthy (nee Quin) died at Warnbrook(?) in the district of Cooma. Their address was listed as “on the road to Kiandra”. By 1876, the family were in Queensland as evident by John McCarthy’s death certificate. He died in Duaringa of slow fever. From here, Thomas appears to have followed the construction of the Queensland Central Railway and picked up work along the way. On 04 April 1880, Thomas married Annie Gallagher at the Emerald Terminus Central Railway and their address was listed as 10 Mile Camp. These Mile Camps appear to be “shanty” towns that housed workers temporarily during the construction of the railway. Annie’s father was also a labourer for the construction of the railway. All of these facts lead me to make the assessment that Thomas was also following the work created by the railway construction.

Thomas and Annie had several children but of note obviously is my great grandmother Elizabeth who was born on 04 May 1882. She was born on 04 Apr 1881 under the name of Clara. I have made this assessment based on the next birth certificate for another girl named Clara but the name of the first child was now Elizabeth. Following the birth records of those children that I have been able to track down the family headed north, appearing to follow the railway construction for a while. Tragedy struck on 09 Oct 1888 with the death of Thomas’s wife, Annie. She died during child birth at Mackunda hotel, Mackunda Creek (basically near the gulf country), QLD. This left Thomas with three surviving children – Elizabeth, Clara and William.

It is hear that the story gets interesting. The family story was that Thomas was unable to cope with raising three children (they were 8, 7 and 1 ½ years old at the time) and that he dumped them at an orphanage. He was never heard of again. The true story is quite more tragic. Thomas and his family ended up at a station just north of Cloncurry (near Canobie). I found an interesting newspaper article in the Brisbane Courier dated 21 Oct 1890. It states that the police from Cloncurry station were investigating the suicide of Thomas McCarthy. He apparently told his wife (it turns out that he was living with a Flora Dunn – no marriage record exists) that he was going out to shoot himself – which he did. The article is quite graphic in its detail, outlining how he shot himself. Thomas’s death certificate states cause of death as “death by shooting”. It is interesting to note that Thomas shot himself on 13 Oct 1890, not long after the two year anniversary of Annie’s death.

I have records from the Cloncurry watch house of when Elizabeth, Clara and William were housed there before they were transferred to Townsville Orphanage. They were then transferred down to Meteor Park Orphanage near Rockhampton. From here, I know that my great grandmother was farmed out to work for at least two different people. She met her future husband, William Searle, at Rockhampton and they then had my grandmother.

Hope that this is of some use. Karen

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Thursday 17 October 13 11:29 BST (UK)  »
Some answers to some questions that have been asked:

Mary Quin Ingram on Thomas’s birth certificate. There was a comment in the margin that I was unable to decipher. Courtesy of a fellow McCarthy researcher, this is an amendment that states that Mary Quin’s place of birth is Dublin, not Stafford.

With regards to Mary Quin Senior not listing the name of the father or her maiden name. I don’t know about why the maiden name is not recorded. The father’s occupation of butcher is interesting though.  There is a record of an Edmond Quin in the 1828 census. His occupation is listed as butcher and he came out on the Mariner. He was living a Margaret who came out on the Lord Wellington (i.e. I cannot find a marriage record even though she was going by the surname Quin). I believe this to be Margaret Parsons, from Stafford – not Dublin. Two children are also listed – Daniel who I believe came out with Margaret and Ellen who was born in Sydney. Edmond Quin appears in the Sydney papers quite a bit – the most serious is the attempted rape of a female.

With regards to the other children – even though I have mentioned that I have been researching this branch for two years, I am also doing concurrent research on the rest of my family. In other words, I haven’t ordered transcriptions for all the children (or possibilities). I am a pre-separation Queenslander who is living in Queensland so I spend much of my time researching and utilising the resources that I currently have on hand at the Queensland State Archives or Queensland State Reference Library. I will eventually order more transcriptions to do a more detailed analysis on the family. My next order will be for Clara McCarthy's (John and Mary's daughter) marriage certificate/transcription. I am interested in John McCarthy's occupation as publican and who the witnesses were.

Mary Quin Senior death. Yes - one scenario I am working on is that Mary Quin Senior stayed with the family and continued to travel with them. From a personal point of view, it would make sense for her to assist with the rearing of her grandchildren therefore my focus for place of death in NSW or QLD. I have printouts of all of the options and I am working through the list to eliminate "not my Mary Quin".

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Wednesday 16 October 13 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks to all. Below is a transcription from Mary McCarthy's (nee Quinn) and John McCarthy's death certificate.

Date and place of death: 21 August 1860; Wambrook; District of Cooma
Name and Occupation: Mary McCarthy
Sex and Age: Female; 34 years
Cause of Death; Duration of last illness; Medical attendant; when last saw deceased: Influenza; 10 days; no medical attendant.
Name and occupation of father; Name and maiden surname of mother: --------Quin (butcher); Mary Quin
Informant: John McCarthy Husband; on the road to Kiandra; district of Cooma
Particulars of registration: John James Ryall; 22 Aug 1860; Cooma
When and where buried; name of undertaker: 22 Aug 1860; Cooma; Robert Kinber
Name and religion of Minister and names of witnesses of burial: John McCarthy; Mary Quin witnesses
Where born and how long in the Australasian Colonies or States: Dublin, Ireland; 20 years; New South Wales
Place of marriage, age, and to whom: Sydney; 1840; John McCarthy
Children of marriage: 5 males, 1 female living, 2 males, 2 females deceased



Date and place of death: 23 May 1876; Duaringa (QLD)
Name and Occupation: John McCarthy; Carpenter
Sex and Age: Male; 56 years
Cause of Death; Duration of last illness; Medical attendant; when last saw deceased: Slow fever; 7 weeks; no medical attendant.
Name and occupation of father; Name and maiden surname of mother: John McCarthy, Carpenter; and not known
Informant: Certified in writing by Martha McCarthy, daughter in law, Duaringa
Particulars of registration: Edmund ???rey; 2 June 1876, Banana
When and where buried; name of undertaker: 23 May 1876; Duaringa; John Battie(?)
Name and religion of Minister and names of witnesses of burial: Joseph Elliott; Roman Catholic service; witnesses Philip Holmes, John Campbell
Where born and how long in the Australasian Colonies or States: Sydney, NSW, 56 years
Place of marriage, age, and to whom: Sydney; 21 years; not known
Children of marriage: John (30yrs); Patrick (26yrs); Clara (25yrs); George (24yrs); James (20yrs); Thomas (16yrs);

Additionally, the only reference to other children on Thomas McCarthy's birth certificate is 5 boys, 1 girl and 4 boys and 3 girls deceased.

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Tuesday 15 October 13 08:52 BST (UK)  »
JM - also thanks about the information about Forbes. That would actually also fit a scenario. I will email death certificate details tomorrow. I have to shoot off now. Thanks so much. Karen

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Tuesday 15 October 13 08:50 BST (UK)  »
Neil - some of the certificates were recorded as McCarty.

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Tuesday 15 October 13 08:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi JM. Thanks for the info. The original start to this thread outlines references to the births/baptisms/deaths of the children of John McCarthy and Mary Quinn. I have the original documentation. Thanks for the tip about the transcription service. I only found out about this when I joined the family history society early this year and the documents were ordered earlier than this. Once again, thank you so much for your assistance. Karen

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Australia / Re: JOHN MCCARTHY AND MARY QUINN
« on: Monday 14 October 13 09:33 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your insights. I have most of the documentation with regards death certificates for John McCarthy senior and Mary Quinn junior and the birth certificates for their children (this is how I have been able to track them). I do think that John McCarthy junior was born in Forbes. I have his baptism certificate (registered in the Darling Downs/Moreton Bay district) which places his DOB as 05 Oct 1845 but his baptism as 09 Nov 1846. His sister, Clarinda was born in Queensland on 21 Jul 1847. After this, the next brother is born in Yass and the remainder on the gold fields in Victoria. I have a hunch that perhaps the family came to Queensland working for a squatter as this period is the "squatter" time in Queensland history. I have recently had an interesting hit for a John McCarthy (senior) who arrived in Sydney in 1841 on the ship Canton. His occupation is listed as carpenter. I don't know why this background would be kept hidden if this was my John McCarthy. So many variables before 1846. Either way, I do not believe John McCarthy Senior was born in Sydney around 1820 (no birth records or census hits). I am accepting that John McCarthy Senior and Mary Quinn junior did not get married. I look forward to further insights and guidance. I have slowly been working on this couple for two years now and are the last line I need to research and confirm to find out how all of my ancestors came to Australia. Karen

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