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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Using ethnicity to find unknown ancestors
« on: Wednesday 22 October 25 11:18 BST (UK)  »
In answer to your question, sort of.
For me Ancestry’s ethnicity is getting more accurate with each iteration.

Thanks for the interesting reflections. I guess "sort of" is some sort of endorsement of the approach.

And I agree that Ancestry's latest ethnicity calculations are impressive.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Using ethnicity to find unknown ancestors
« on: Wednesday 22 October 25 11:15 BST (UK)  »
Eric, but what exactly do you mean by saying that your grandfather is probably Scottish? He's probably got bits of Scandinavian, northwest Europe and Irish.

In doing that analysis, I ignored small percentages (3% or below), and of course I accepted that the numbers wouldn't totally add up. So I agree that he probably had small percentages of other ethnicities. But I'm deducing (whether rightly or not) that his major ethnicity was Scottish.

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Using ethnicity to find unknown ancestors
« on: Wednesday 22 October 25 05:40 BST (UK)  »
I have a particular case I'd like to ask about please.

I want to try to identify my maternal great grandfather. My grandmother was adopted (in Melbourne, Australia), her birth mother was named on her birth documentation but her father was not.

Using the Leeds method I have been able to separate out my maternal & paternal sides and identify matches descending from my maternal grandmother and grandfather. I was able to find DNA matches that pointed to sisters of my great grandmother and so identify her. But so far no luck on finding usable matches for my great grandfather.

Like others here, I don't give much credence to ethnicity results. But feeling a bit desperate, I decided to try to use ethnicity at FTDNA, My Heritage and Ancestry to try to at least identify where he may have come from. They all have different groupings of course, but results aren't too different in my case. This is how my logic went:

1. My ethnicity is mixed between England, Scotland, Ireland and Scandinavia/Northern Europe.

2. My dad's family migrated to Australia 170 years ago from eastern England, his father's family from Yorkshie where there was once a Viking population. This is roughly confirmed by my having roughly 50% from UK & Scandinavia/Western Europe.

3. If I take those percentages out of my ethnicity, the remainder is about 20-25% Scottish & 25-30% Irish (varies with each company).

4. My known maternal ancestors come from Ireland & Scotland, with the theoretical mix being:
  • 31.25% Irish
  • 6.25% Scottish
  • 12.5% unknown (my missing great grandfather)
5. The only way to achieve something like my actual percentages (in #3 above) is for the missing great grandfather to be Scottish.

Of course the numbers don't add up neatly, but all three companies give (broadly) the same result.

My question is: has anyone else used an approach like this and later (when they had identified their ancestor) found the calculation gave a reasonable result (or didn't)?

Thanks.

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I have built the tree of a match back way beyond the MRCA that we share more than once before now and the two trees may have a different name or date along the way but Thrulines will display the pedigree line of the match using their tree.

Thanks for your thoughts on this. I am learning all the time.

Just to briefly explain what I am trying. I want to find a family in Wales in the 1800s. I have matches, but can't connect the matches to "my" tree (actually my cousin-in-law's tree). The multiple use of the same few names in Wales makes that task very difficult - there are always many different possibilities of the same names and in the same area. So I am trying different possibilities in ThruLines to see if any matches come up, thus saving me heaps of tedious work.

In my last post here, I described how ThruLines chose a different 3 x Great Grandfather than I had in my tree. So I tried a different Great Grandfather and this time Thrulines adjusted and showed this person. So that's all good (except still no matches so far).

So it seems there must be triggers or criteria that decide whether ThruLines shows my tree or the tree of matches, and I'd like to try to understand that. So I'm wondering if you could explain, please, what you mean by "Thrulines will display the pedigree line of the match using their tree".

Thanks.

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I'd like to continue this discussion with an uodate and another question.

ThruLines now shows the second x Great Grandfather Hugh Jones who was missing before, plus his father. Trouble is, my tree shows Hugh Jones b1812 in Nefyn, and his father Hugh Jones, whereas ThruLines has Hugh Jones b1810 in Anglesey and his father Edward Jones.

I am not certain of my identification, I am just trying it out to see if ThruLines gives me any matches. I think the Anglesey identification is possible but less likely.

So ThruLines has over-ridden the tree I have entered and used the trees of other Ancestry users. Last time I criticised Ancestry I found that I was a major part of the fault, so I want to be slow to criticise again.

But shouldn't it take my tree as its starting point?

Any thoughts? Thanks

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It's hard to explain and I can imagine it's hard to follow when reading

No actually, it was really helpful thanks. I am about to have a go at it.

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That is a helpful video. Thanks.

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I have been given temporary control of the account, so I have a subscription and we have Pro Tools.

Just to reiterate, the matter we are researching, John Jones married Elfreda Milthorpe, had 9 children and then died. Elfreda then married Edwin Holloway and had 3 more children. DNA testing has shown that the last of the 9 "Jones" children, Kate, was actually fathered by Edwin (a descendant of Kate matches a descendant of Edwin's sister, which couldn't happen except if he was the father).

So my task is to see if any other of the 9 were also fathered by Edwin rather than John. I have found many matches with descendants of 6 of the 12 children and I'm trying to make sense of the DNA matches I have. My hope was to use ThruLines to identify possible matches to John's family, so that anyone who matched with them came from John's line.

So I have lots of information, but have been missing the most important, more info and DNA matches about John's parents and siblings. All made more difficult by the fact that everyone in Wales at that time seemd to have the same few names in their trees!

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Hi brigidmac, thanks for your thoughts. I find several things you say interesting - I'll need to think about adding "also known as" and suffixes. I presume the comments you suggest also appear on the timeline?

But your post was helpful in another way. Prompted by what you said, I went into the tree again and found I had stuffed up how I showed John's parents. So I corrected that and now John's dad appears in ThruLines where he didn't before! I presume his parents will appear in time.

I don't know how long this error was there. Perhaps it happened when I was testing different things as outlined above.

But for now, I think the matter may be resolved, and I'll humbly apologise to Ancestry and admit at least a major part of the problem was me!!

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