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Australia / Re: Genetic Testing Question
« on: Monday 10 November 14 09:52 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: bamc37 on Monday 10 November 14 08:52 GMT (UK)
Bessie Priscilla, daughter of FEPToms and UJCTpms,  was born in 1883 and married in 1906, The picture was taken in 1938 so Bessie would be 55yrs.

That's very curious. I was told that FJToms named his daughter Bessie Priscilla after a sister he lost in childhood, hence the break from the family name Ursula. Wonder how that story started?

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Australia / Re: Genetic Testing Question
« on: Monday 10 November 14 08:11 GMT (UK)  »
I was under the impression Bessie, James' sister, died in childhood. How old is the Bessie in the picture? Bessie Priscilla, James' daughter, would have been 19.

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Australia / Re: Genetic Testing Question
« on: Sunday 09 November 14 12:09 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: judb on Sunday 09 November 14 11:48 GMT (UK)
Francis J was born about 1887 so I suppose he could have fathered a child by 1905-ish.  Otherwise I wonder if Edward is a brother of Francis Edwin?  He would be an old man by 1938 though.

Judith

Francis J had two children - Edwin Francis Llewelyn Toms (known as Ted in later years but I suppose he might have been Eddie when younger?) in 1914 and Bessie Priscilla Toms in 1919.

Claire

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Australia / Re: Genetic Testing Question
« on: Saturday 08 November 14 23:48 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: judb on Saturday 08 November 14 23:29 GMT (UK)



There are some very creative transcriptions for this family!

Judith

There certainly are and yes I'm pretty sure it's Bessie.

Thanks, hadn't thought of looking under Jones.

Claire

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Australia / Re: Genetic Testing Question
« on: Saturday 08 November 14 23:45 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: bamc37 on Saturday 08 November 14 21:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Andy
So sorry to confuse you but I missed out a generation
Jane Cleverdon, daughter of John and Priscilla Cleverdon never married. She had four children, Elizabeth 1827, Walter, Eliza and Thomas.
Elizabeth married James Brady.
Hope that makes more sense. I never did find the 1891 census, I will try TAMS
If you are descended from Francis Toms, brother of Charlotte Elizabeth Toms, I have a family group photograph and he may be on it. I will look it out.
Regards Brian

Thanks Brian, would be fantastic if there is a photo of him. After I replied I thought I'd found a baptism record for Elizabeth - you've confirmed that and taken me a generation further back. Much appreciated.

Claire

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Australia / Re: Genetic Testing Question
« on: Saturday 08 November 14 15:42 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: bamc37 on Monday 29 July 13 00:50 BST (UK)
Hi Andy
John Brady and Ursula Shambrook were married at Fremington in 1805.
John Brady was buried at Fremington in 1836 aged 75. His wife, Ursula (Shambrook, from Morwenstow) was also buried at Fremington in 1829 aged 51.  Their son, James Brady (b.1819)moved to Plymouth and worked as a stonemason at the sugar refinery. He married jane Cleverdon and they had a daughter Jane Elizabeth Cleverdon Brady who married Frances Edwin Pederick Toms. Their daughter Charlotte Elizabeth Toms was my grandmother. I last visited Fremington in 1979,before I moved to New Zealand. I remember many thatched cottages. but I did not visit the church. Good luck with your research. Brian

I'm intrigued by this. This is very close to the version I've got but not quite.

In my version, Francis Edwin Pederick Toms was married to Ursula Jane Cleverdon Brady, born in 1860. The 1891 census has Francis Ed Tams (sic), born abt 1841, wife Ursula J C Tams (sic), born abt 1860. My relative is their son Francis James Toms.

I have found a baptism record for Ursula Jane Cleverton(sic) Brady, baptised in Charles Martyr, Plymouth, Devon on 30th January 1860. The father is noted as James Brady (Mason), mother Elizabeth and they are living in 25 John Street. Also a marriage record showing she married Francis Edwin Pederick Toms in 1879.

I do have James Brady as the son of John Brady and Ursula Shambrook, married in Fremington in 1805, same as you. But it seems so strange that the Jane Cleverdon name is in there but Ursula Jane Cleverdon Brady seems to be the daughter of Elizabeth (maiden name unknown) not Jane Cleverdon.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Williams family (stone masons) Caio, Carms
« on: Monday 08 September 14 13:55 BST (UK)  »
Am hoping after this message I can PM you.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Williams family (stone masons) Caio, Carms
« on: Monday 08 September 14 13:54 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your message, unfortunately I can't do a PM until I've posted 3 messages. Fingers crossed that replies count.

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Williams family (stone masons) Caio, Carms
« on: Monday 08 September 14 10:29 BST (UK)  »
I too am interested in finding out more about the Williams family of Pigyn, my paternal grandfather was David Joseph Williams, 1909-1973. It sounds like you have far more information than I have.

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