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Good Morning

Thank you for your responses. It makes perfect sense that the chest was situated in the bay window space of the oriel. I had heard of oriel before but I associated it with public buildings like churches or colleges. The testator, John Bowdler of Shrewsbury, must have had a pretty fancy house. I think he may have been a draper hence the lace and stuff in the chest which he refers to as wares.

Thanks again
Venelow
Canada

Hi ribbo39

Thank you for that additional information.

Venelow

Hi Wiltshire Chatters

I have been looking at a marriage entry from Christian Malford dated 1799. It is stated the bride, Joanna Fry, is of the Parish of Nabels. It is quite clearly written but I cannot find any parish with that name. Google suggests I mean Naples.

I feel that the name of the Parish has been misheard or misread from another document. They were married by Licence which might provide a clue but unfortunately there are no Wiltshire Marriage Licence records on Ancestry or Find My Past.

This marriage was between Samuel Hull (of Christian Malford) and Joanna Fry and can be seen on Ancestry by searching Church of England Wiltshire Marriages 1754 - 1916.

Any ideas about Nabels gratefully received.

Venelow
Canada

Hello Amondg

Thank you for your response.
Yes, Thomas Jobber does mention his daughters Elizabeth and Jane but my remarks were concerning the Will of Thomas Barkley/Berkley who died in 1646. As well as his sons, William (mother Margrett Corbet) and Francis (mother Jane Unknown), he had two daughters, Elizabeth and Jane by his first wife Margrett Corbett. Some trees state Elizabeth died in Virginia.

Thomas Barkley was a lawyer and barrister and his long and complicated Will reflects that. I have not transcribed it yet, being focused on his wife and children rather than complicated deeds regarding his land. Another interesting thing is that one of the witnesses to Thomas Barkley's Will is Beatrice Fryth who later married Edward Jobber, the brother of Thomas Jobber. Maybe she introduced Jane to Thomas Jobber.

I have previously looked the PCC Will for (Jana) or Jane Jobber. It is on Ancestry under the name Gobber.  The probate date is incorrectly given as 31 May 1671 not 1672 and the parish is transcribed as Brosten rather than Broseley.  She states she is of Rowton in the Parish of Broseley. Genuki has several places called Rowton listed in the Shropshire pages but none are in Broseley. It probably no longer exists or was the name of a house.

This Jane Jobber who died about 1672 was a sister of Thomas Jobber 1616-1688. She mentions some of her sisters in her Will. Their parents were Richard Jobber of Aston, Shropshire (died 1650) and Mary Littleton a granddaughter of Sir Edward Littleton of Pillaton Hall Staffordshire.  Richard and Mary had 4 sons and 6 daughters in total if the pedigree is correct. My ancestor is one of the daughters.

Regarding the parish registers, there are Shropshire registers on Find My Past. The more recent have been transcribed but many of the older records have not. Some parts are missing and many are in very poor condition and hard to read.  Probably Wills are the way to go when the PRs are illegible but it's very hit and miss.

Thanks again for your input
Venelow
Canada

Thanks mckha489.

It was very satisfying. BUT ......  it just raises more problems with Joyce Bowdler including the marriage of Joyce Bowdler to John Addenbrook which many trees on line state took place in 1656 at Barrow Salop. Of course the 1650s are always a problem.

However I can't find any parish records for Barrow in the 1600s except three pages stating in 1611 which are mostly illegible. Her second marriage to Andrew Langley is stated in many trees to have taken place on June 19th in 1666 at Broseley Salop but there is no such record in the Broseley Parish Register.  Many trees state a death/burial for her on 11 Aug 1708 but no place is stated in the online trees except for a few that say she died at Cork Ireland. I think that is a mix up with another Joyce.

Oh well, back to my utterly maddening but fascinating pastime. I think I now have enough brick walls to build a house.

Venelow