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Hi Joyce33, my father was the son of Jessie(Irene) and Robert.
 I was talking with Uncle J and gave him the link to the site, he should be able to give a more info.
 I do know he has been in touch with the Buchan side of the family for many years and visited once or twice.
 As for Robert Yule being born in Peterhead I was always told that was what he told the army when he joined underage. He never arrived in Peterhead until he was about 14.

Thanks Dug38.
Thought you might like this info I recently received from another Roots member:

 "Robert Y McDougall born 9 Sept 1887 and aged 73 years, retired,  travelled Montreal Quebec to Greenock Scotland on the Empress of Britain arriving 10 October 1960.
Also travelling Jessie I McDougall born 5 th August 1915 and aged 45 years, housewife. Both going to 2 Fonthill Gardens, Aberdeen N. Intended stay 5/6 weeks."

I was intrigued to know if this was the address of a family member because it is very close to where I live in Aberdeen!  Perhaps Uncle J might know from one of his trips to Aberdeenshire to visit the Buchan family?
On the matter of Robert's birthplace, I must find out what is stated on UK census for him.
Joyce33 :)


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I am a grandson of Robert Yule McDougall, he remarried and had 7 more children. J is living outside Edmonton Alberta. S is in a home in Fergus Ontario, she lived a good part of her life in California. M passed away in California. K in not sure of she was in the Fergus Ontario area.

Hi dug38, I was so thrilled to receive your response to my query about Robert Yule and Mary Hay McDougall.  Are you a grandson of first wife Mary or Robert's second wife?  Is his second wife still alive as I believe, from some info I received, that she was considerably younger than Robert.
I was also very interested to know that you have info about 2 of their 4 children - S and J.  I had previous knowledge of the 4 and their DoB's. J must be 85yrs and S 88yrs if my info is correct.  Are either S or J your parent? 
My relationship to Robert & Mary is as follows:
In case you did not already know, they were first cousins who were born in Peterhead nr Aberdeen in north east Scotland - Robert b.1887, Mary b.1895.  They married in Peterhead and left for Toronto, Canada in 1922.  Their mothers were sisters Jemima McDougall and Jane Buchan (ms Hutchison). Robert and Mary's grandmother was Biddy Hutchison whose sister Rachel is my g.g.grandmother.  Therefore Rachel (my g.g.granny) was the great aunt of Robert and Mary McDougall.  I hope the above is clear enough.  If you would like any more info about the Hutchisons of Peterhead, just let me know.  Meanwhile please pass on my best wishes to S & J if you are in touch with them.  I look forward to hearing from you again. Regards Joyce33

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WW2 Draft for James Lauder - 26 Nov 1891 Glasgow Scotland. Resides 109 Lawrence Avenue. Richmond. New York.  Employer:- British Purchasing Commission, 15 Broad Street, NYC.
Person who will always know his address :- Mrs James Lauder of the same address.

Sandra
Thanks Sandra. Now I know James and Helen Lauder were still alive and in NY during WW2.
Do you know how I could find out about James Calder their sponsor who had an established china business in Staten Island by the 20's?

Regards
Joyce

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Hi,

Glad to help.  If this Sally Sheldon is your relative, then her married name of Bitz should be a help in finding relatives. 

If you use the Canada 411 link I posted earlier, you will see that there are only 6 people in Ontario with that last name.   Perhaps some are related to you? 

The memorial notice is in the Ottawa paper.  Perhaps the original obituary was too.  You could try the Ottawa library to see if they will do a look up for you.  Hopefully, you will find names of more relatives.

http://biblioottawalibrary.ca/en/overview

RK

Hi RK

Thanks for all your help. Ref Bitz family I have noted the 6 Bitz entries in Directory for the area and also intend to contact Ottowa Library for further help.  As you know I am a complete beginner, this being  my first query, and would like to know the correct protocol of making contact with possible "relatives"?  Do you think it would be OK to telephone or write to them?

On another matter, I wonder if you could advise me on how to trace further 'cousins', of the same origins - g.g.g.grandparents John Hutchison and Jane (Cameron) Hutchison of Peterhead, Aberdeenshire.
Their Grandson James Calder(b.1861) who was born and raised in Aberdeen, Scotland, emigrated to USA around the end of 19C and set up business in a china shop on Staten Island, New York.  His direct descendants are unknown although I know that he sponsored his great niece Helen Wilson Lauder(b.1893 Quincy Massachusetts) and her husband James Lauder(b.Glasgow) who emigrated to New York in early 1920's, so he was still alive at that time.
Should I initiate a new query on the USA section?

Look forward to hearing from you.
Regards Joyce


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Could this be a possibility for Robert.  ???

Robert Y McDougall born 9 Sept 1887 and aged 73 years, retired,  travelled Montreal Quebec to Greenock Scotland on the Empress of Britain arriving 10 October 1960.
Also travelling Jessie I McDougall born 5 th August 1915 and aged 45 years, housewife. Both going to 2 Fonthill Gardens, Aberdeen N. Intended stay 5/6 weeks.

Sandra

Thanks Sandra, this is definitely my Robert McDougall and presumably accompanied by his (much younger) 2nd wife.  How fascinating for me to know that they spent time back in the North East of Scotland not far from where I live!  :)

Cheers
Joyce

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Thanks again RK for all this great info.  I'm almost certain that you have discovered the correct Sally Sheldon granddaughter of Robert and Mary McDougall.  Perhaps the Sheldon family returned to Canada from California when Mr Sheldon passed away as there is no mention of papa in the memorial, just mama.  What a lovely girl with a beautiful smile.  So sad to die so young and predecease a parent.
Also correct death of Mary Hay McDougall in 1932.  Perhaps Robert remarried, hence the Mrs McDougall mentioned in the marriage notice?
I'm still hopeful of tracing the son J McDougall b.1928 - it is possible he is still alive 84/85yrs?

On a different note - do you have any ancestors from Scotland / U.K whom I may be able to try and help you trace?
Best Regards
Joyce

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Thank you RK for all your helpful information.
Will follow up tomorrow.
Cheers
J


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I wonder if anyone can help me with information regarding distant relatives who went to Canada in 1922?  The couple in question were Robert Yule McDougall (born 1887 Peterhead, Scotland; died 1974 Canada) and his wife Mary Hay (Buchan) McDougall (born 1895 Peterhead, Scotland; died @1931 Toronto, Canada).
They were married in Scotland before Robert emigrated to Toronto, Canada in July 1922.  Mary followed later but I'm not sure when. They had 4 children: M(b1920),K(b1923), S(b1925) and J(b1928). I was interested to know if some of the above or their children are still living in Toronto and perhaps to communicate about family history.

Thanks
Joyce

My relationship to Robert and Mary is that their Mothers, Jemima and Jane Hutchison(sisters) were first cousins of my great granny Mary Calder.  We share the same g.g.grandparents John Hutchison and Jane (ms Cameron)Hutchison who lived in Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.   

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The Lighter Side / Re: old sayings
« on: Wednesday 25 September 13 14:31 BST (UK)  »
Two my Yorkshire grandmother used a lot were:
"Well, I'll go to the foot of our stairs" when told anything surprising.
"Doesn't know if they're Arthur or Martha" for someone in a muddle or confused.

Both these sayings are used in my area too, north-east Scotland, but in dialect "I'll ging tae the fit aa' ma stairs".

Some others are :
"He's nae the full shillin" for someone who was a bit 'glaikit';

"If that's what you think, ye've got another think(thing) coming";

 "She had a face like a chewed chip" describing someone rather unattractive.

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