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Dublin / Re: Parish of ST PETER'S C of I Dublin
« on: Monday 25 April 16 01:58 BST (UK) »
Thank you Sinann, so kind of you to do that for me.
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Dublin / Re: Parish of ST PETER'S C of I Dublin
« on: Saturday 23 April 16 02:16 BST (UK) »
I too am seeking information about St. Peters.
Henry Herbert died in Mercers Hospital not far from the church in 1844 and was buried in St. Peters graveyard. If this church was demolished are the graves still there?
I am trying to discover the ancestry and/or identity of this Henry Herbert. I think he might be my Henry Monkton Herbert.
Grateful for any clues.
Lefayre Palmer
Henry Herbert died in Mercers Hospital not far from the church in 1844 and was buried in St. Peters graveyard. If this church was demolished are the graves still there?
I am trying to discover the ancestry and/or identity of this Henry Herbert. I think he might be my Henry Monkton Herbert.
Grateful for any clues.
Lefayre Palmer
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Monday 18 April 16 00:41 BST (UK) »
Having now found that John Barlow of Lawrenny, Wales married twice at FLEET in London, the possibility of my Barlows being descendants of the first marriage to Jane Harrison in 1696 arises.
If Arthur Barlow who married an Ann is his son, and who named his eldest child Jane in 1731 and is father of Counsellor Arthur Barlow born 1735, then family writings and oral history falls into place.
Arthur's brother John born 1744 had two sons Arthur and Thomas Barlow. Would I be lucky enough to find any of their descendants.
Living in hope.
Lefayre Palmer
If Arthur Barlow who married an Ann is his son, and who named his eldest child Jane in 1731 and is father of Counsellor Arthur Barlow born 1735, then family writings and oral history falls into place.
Arthur's brother John born 1744 had two sons Arthur and Thomas Barlow. Would I be lucky enough to find any of their descendants.
Living in hope.
Lefayre Palmer
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Thursday 04 February 16 22:31 GMT (UK) »
Dear Joanne,
When browsing the web I found that you have had correspondence with my cousin Bronwyn in New Zealand. Bronwyn passed away some time last year. It was she who was corresponding with someone in America I believe, who had the diary/Bible I talked about. I have't been able to find my copy it was not in the Crowther/Barlow file.
I have quite a bit on Captain Moonlite and when I visited the grave I had the funniest sensation. suddenly the wife of our Gundagai guide threw her arms around me and held me very tightly. She sensed my reaction and when I questioned her as to why she had done it she said she had seen the reaction before. This was strange as Captain Moonlite was only remotely connected to me.
Don't believe everything you read in the Calderwood book, it is quite often way of the mark.
Captain Moonlite was first buried in Sydney but the people of Gundagai not believing Captain Moonlite as bad as his press had the body exhumed and reburied with great ceremony at Gundagai. The site is on the top of the hill under a magnificent old tree looking over the whole cemetery and into the distance.
I am in the throes of culling and reorganising my 60 odd years of research so am not at the moment very efficient with my filing. I have many folders and many filing cabinets with no more room to file so you perhaps can imagine the mess I am in.
My email is (*)
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Lefayre
When browsing the web I found that you have had correspondence with my cousin Bronwyn in New Zealand. Bronwyn passed away some time last year. It was she who was corresponding with someone in America I believe, who had the diary/Bible I talked about. I have't been able to find my copy it was not in the Crowther/Barlow file.
I have quite a bit on Captain Moonlite and when I visited the grave I had the funniest sensation. suddenly the wife of our Gundagai guide threw her arms around me and held me very tightly. She sensed my reaction and when I questioned her as to why she had done it she said she had seen the reaction before. This was strange as Captain Moonlite was only remotely connected to me.
Don't believe everything you read in the Calderwood book, it is quite often way of the mark.
Captain Moonlite was first buried in Sydney but the people of Gundagai not believing Captain Moonlite as bad as his press had the body exhumed and reburied with great ceremony at Gundagai. The site is on the top of the hill under a magnificent old tree looking over the whole cemetery and into the distance.
I am in the throes of culling and reorganising my 60 odd years of research so am not at the moment very efficient with my filing. I have many folders and many filing cabinets with no more room to file so you perhaps can imagine the mess I am in.
My email is (*)
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
Lefayre
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Sunday 31 January 16 05:20 GMT (UK) »
Dear Joanne,
How exciting to find you and to know you live in Tasmania. I have been there several times to visit relatives of my husband. The Perkins family at Launceston and Gunns Plain.
Yes we are of the same family. Jane Barlow who married Henry Monkton Herbert was sister to Arthur Craven Barlow snr., and his twin brother Thomas William who named a son Arthur Craven from whom you descend.
Thomas William's family which includes Lady Mary Greer seem to have considered Jane married below her class and had nothing to do with them. On the other hand Arthur Craven snr., in 1816, leased land in Tinahask, Arklow, Ireland in trust for Heny Monkton and then to his son Henry Arthur Augustus my great great grand father.
A cousin, since deceased, in New Zealand had been in contact with some of the American Barlow/Crowther family and had received a copy of notes either from a diary or Bible which indicated the above about Henry and Jane in which it seems to indicate that the name Craven had come into the family much earlier. We have at least 2 generations in Ireland whose wives names are unknown.
I have visited Captain Moonlite's grave at Gundagai.
Having just returned from a grandson's wedding, which was held at a beautiful country estate out of town, and necessitated staying overnight, I am rather tired. Would love to keep in contact and sort out the various information we might hold that would be the catalyst to solve our mysteries.
We believe not proven that we descend from Roger Barlow of Slebech. Recently I have found through my paternal grandfather I descend from his sister Elizabeth. The line from Jane Barlow is through my paternal grandfather.
Best wishes, Lefayre Palmer, Sydney, Australia
How exciting to find you and to know you live in Tasmania. I have been there several times to visit relatives of my husband. The Perkins family at Launceston and Gunns Plain.
Yes we are of the same family. Jane Barlow who married Henry Monkton Herbert was sister to Arthur Craven Barlow snr., and his twin brother Thomas William who named a son Arthur Craven from whom you descend.
Thomas William's family which includes Lady Mary Greer seem to have considered Jane married below her class and had nothing to do with them. On the other hand Arthur Craven snr., in 1816, leased land in Tinahask, Arklow, Ireland in trust for Heny Monkton and then to his son Henry Arthur Augustus my great great grand father.
A cousin, since deceased, in New Zealand had been in contact with some of the American Barlow/Crowther family and had received a copy of notes either from a diary or Bible which indicated the above about Henry and Jane in which it seems to indicate that the name Craven had come into the family much earlier. We have at least 2 generations in Ireland whose wives names are unknown.
I have visited Captain Moonlite's grave at Gundagai.
Having just returned from a grandson's wedding, which was held at a beautiful country estate out of town, and necessitated staying overnight, I am rather tired. Would love to keep in contact and sort out the various information we might hold that would be the catalyst to solve our mysteries.
We believe not proven that we descend from Roger Barlow of Slebech. Recently I have found through my paternal grandfather I descend from his sister Elizabeth. The line from Jane Barlow is through my paternal grandfather.
Best wishes, Lefayre Palmer, Sydney, Australia
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Sunday 03 January 16 22:49 GMT (UK) »
Dear Roger,
Once again thank you.
From memory this Arthur son of Lewis Barlow and Mary Owen, is he who was an explorer in America with or for Sir Walter Raleigh. to my knowledge it did not marry or have issue.
On Celtic Royal Genealogy it is claimed Arthur son of John Owen and Jane Harrison died BT 1720. If this is right it would preclude him from being our Arthur father of Counsellor Barlow. Arthur's first child is baptised/born 1731.
I cannot identify the entries at St. John's you cite, but the names seem more likely those belonging to the family of Sir James Barlow one time Lord Mayor of Dublin. It is said an ancestor of James is the William who came to Ireland in the 1600s.
Lady Mary Greer grand daughter of Jane Barlow's brother Thomas William, says she knows of no connection between the two families. She also states Jane married a man by the name of Herbert but she knows nothing of them. Another of Thomas' line states that they had nothing to do with Jane as she married beneath her status.
The other brother Arthur Craven on the other hand took out a lease in trust for his brother in law Henry Monkton Herbert, and his son Henry Arthur Augustus Herbert, of 25 acres at Tinahask, Arklow, Wicklow, in 1816. I feel Henry Monkton Herbert may have been injured or ill as he did not work the property but opened a school in Arklow "so as to not burden his children."
On his wedding licence Henry is given as Henry Monckton Herbert, Dublin Esq. Monkton is given on the grave stone of his wife Jane and a list of bonds gives it as Moncton.
This family has been indeed leading me a merry dance and I am so grateful for you help in unravelling it.
Lefayre
Once again thank you.
From memory this Arthur son of Lewis Barlow and Mary Owen, is he who was an explorer in America with or for Sir Walter Raleigh. to my knowledge it did not marry or have issue.
On Celtic Royal Genealogy it is claimed Arthur son of John Owen and Jane Harrison died BT 1720. If this is right it would preclude him from being our Arthur father of Counsellor Barlow. Arthur's first child is baptised/born 1731.
I cannot identify the entries at St. John's you cite, but the names seem more likely those belonging to the family of Sir James Barlow one time Lord Mayor of Dublin. It is said an ancestor of James is the William who came to Ireland in the 1600s.
Lady Mary Greer grand daughter of Jane Barlow's brother Thomas William, says she knows of no connection between the two families. She also states Jane married a man by the name of Herbert but she knows nothing of them. Another of Thomas' line states that they had nothing to do with Jane as she married beneath her status.
The other brother Arthur Craven on the other hand took out a lease in trust for his brother in law Henry Monkton Herbert, and his son Henry Arthur Augustus Herbert, of 25 acres at Tinahask, Arklow, Wicklow, in 1816. I feel Henry Monkton Herbert may have been injured or ill as he did not work the property but opened a school in Arklow "so as to not burden his children."
On his wedding licence Henry is given as Henry Monckton Herbert, Dublin Esq. Monkton is given on the grave stone of his wife Jane and a list of bonds gives it as Moncton.
This family has been indeed leading me a merry dance and I am so grateful for you help in unravelling it.
Lefayre
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Friday 25 December 15 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Dear Roger, I think I may be on to something as I have found that the births you mention in this post between 17 31-35 at St. John Dublin seem to be our line.
I recently found that John Barlow who married Ann Owen married previously a Jane Harrison 1692, both being Clandestine marriages in London. Perhaps our Arthur is he who married an Ann and had children from 1731 the first being a Jane?
It is Boxing Day here and we are expecting visitors I shall get back to you with details.
Thanks for your previous help in the past.
Hope you had a lovely Christmas and will have a great 2016.
Lefayre Palmer
I recently found that John Barlow who married Ann Owen married previously a Jane Harrison 1692, both being Clandestine marriages in London. Perhaps our Arthur is he who married an Ann and had children from 1731 the first being a Jane?
It is Boxing Day here and we are expecting visitors I shall get back to you with details.
Thanks for your previous help in the past.
Hope you had a lovely Christmas and will have a great 2016.
Lefayre Palmer
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Friday 25 December 15 23:20 GMT (UK) »I think the current lack of response may be due to difficulty tracing the will of 1716 you refer to.
I can find reference to it in the NLW "deeds" but not the detail.There is a will of 1693 for an Arthur Barlow of Pen-coed Lawrenny-do you know if he is related?There are certainly a lot of references to the people nominated in that will in the NLW "deeds",though it is a difficult read.
The situation in the deeds is compounded by the number of variant spellings of "Lawrenny",and I have also found one that references a John Barlow Esq of Lawrenni and a John Barlow Esq. of Slebech in the same deed,that reads as if they are different people.
Turning to Ireland,irishgenealogy.ie has many records to consider,perhaps the most likely(?) a series of births at St John Dublin between 1731 and 1744 to an Arthur and Ann,including an Arthur and Jane.It is more difficult to confidently follow these through to a related record of certain identity,
such as Arthur Barlow,solicitor of Great Georges Street who died 1877 aged 78,and possibly a brother John died 1876 aged 84.
I have also found elsewhere baptismal records of both a John and an Arthur Barlow to a John and Mary Barlow in Wicklow in 1757 that may possibly relate to your other recent thread.
Regards
Roger
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Pembrokeshire / Re: Arthur Barlow Slebech
« on: Sunday 30 November 14 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Dear Roger, thank you for your work on St. Werburgh. I have been looking at my old Barlow files and feel sure the people connected with St. Werburgh belong to the family of Sir James Barlow, Lord Mayor of Dublin. This family has as progenitor William Barlow who is possibly the William Barlow from Pembroke who was commissioned to take men to Ireland c1625. So it is not unrealistic to think the two Barlow lines connect back in Wales somehow. I am sorry I didn't get back to you earlier we had a daughter and her youngest son 24, with her husband, come to visit as Andrew, the grandson is going to Spain in a few days and will not be home for Christmas. After they left we had an electric storm. November storms can be rather nasty and one year I had my modem fried, fortunately our safety switch turned off our power resulting in no other losses. Neighbours lost their computer, television etc. Going through the files I am finding markings that now bear further investigation, but have to do other things that cannot wait.
The above search is on my paternal grandfather's line but now I have found that his wife has a line back to Elizabeth Barlow the sister of Roger Barlow of Slebech. I am going to take an autosomnal DNA test to see if it reveals any worthwhile clues. We have had a YDNA test done on a male relative for Arthur Barlow's line which matches the line of the Barlows of Lancashire. Roger and Elizabeth Barlow are of Chorlton Hardy, Lancashire and trace back to the Barlows of Barlow Hall.
My head is whirling with so much information I shall have to be careful as a month after my 80th birthday I collapsed and found myself in hospital, nothing wrong was found, other than age, except for abnormal brain activity. Those who know me laughed even my G.P has been telling me I should slow down. The four doctors involved in the tests decided it was overload. This is just so you forgive me any lapses like the amount Arthur Barlow's mother left him was 50 pounds not 150. Ann Cornwallis formerly Barlow gave a moiety to her children other than Arthur and John, John was born after his father's death and the forthcoming child/twins were accounted for in his will 1716. The 50 pounds to Arthur was added almost as an afterthought so presumably some uncertainty about him existed then, perhaps he had been in Ireland for sometime and the family lost contact.
Just had a call from another grandson he will be calling by soon, so shall close. Lefayre
The above search is on my paternal grandfather's line but now I have found that his wife has a line back to Elizabeth Barlow the sister of Roger Barlow of Slebech. I am going to take an autosomnal DNA test to see if it reveals any worthwhile clues. We have had a YDNA test done on a male relative for Arthur Barlow's line which matches the line of the Barlows of Lancashire. Roger and Elizabeth Barlow are of Chorlton Hardy, Lancashire and trace back to the Barlows of Barlow Hall.
My head is whirling with so much information I shall have to be careful as a month after my 80th birthday I collapsed and found myself in hospital, nothing wrong was found, other than age, except for abnormal brain activity. Those who know me laughed even my G.P has been telling me I should slow down. The four doctors involved in the tests decided it was overload. This is just so you forgive me any lapses like the amount Arthur Barlow's mother left him was 50 pounds not 150. Ann Cornwallis formerly Barlow gave a moiety to her children other than Arthur and John, John was born after his father's death and the forthcoming child/twins were accounted for in his will 1716. The 50 pounds to Arthur was added almost as an afterthought so presumably some uncertainty about him existed then, perhaps he had been in Ireland for sometime and the family lost contact.
Just had a call from another grandson he will be calling by soon, so shall close. Lefayre