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i believe they were married first before coming to SA, its me then my mom sharon, then my grandfather leslie and thereafter my great grandfather robert.  This could maybe explain why leslie birth cannot be found in scotland or st helena maybe he was born here in SA.

ok already a developement i sent out the info to family and i was told that first my great grandfather Robert married Sarah Elizabeth Jones from st helena.  Also she sent me this info via email:

Hi,

The Robert Galbraith Short below that was born in St Helena (? Would that make us saints and not Scots? LOL) in 1875 could very well have been my grandfather because the dates fit.  He died at the age of 84 in Alberton when I was 6 which was in 1959, which counts back to 1875.

The only Jane Short we have turned up so far was one of the children mentioned in the email attached.

So i see how difficult this can be now, its a good challenege i suppose 

its a really huge help to have it all summerized like this and gives me a bit to go on, the only way forward is to get some legal docs which i will have to pay for and take it from there.  You have bean an amazing help, if you were in south africa i would have treated you to dinner lol.

guys i really appreciate all your help on this.  From what i gather the mother of leslie ties up with whats here being elizabeth denton, some people thought it was paton, but all that dates and stuff add up.  My mom says she was born in the UK in motherwell, but i dont really believe her at the moment and am now thinking she might have been born here in south africa.  S. E. S edited. is her full name.  and again thank you guys so much.  I tried the search but it comes up saying i have to pay 7 pounds to view the results and there was only one result for george martin, tried the same thing with james jack martin in 1916, but got nothing at all when i tried glasgow city, glasgow cause thats where i was told he comes from.