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Hi,

Having read the posts of aghadowey I am now pretty sure that the Savages mentioned in the roll of honour, Andrew and David, 16, Castle Square, must have been the Savage family George and I grew up with!
I lived in 2, Castle Square and George lived in number 30 Castle Square.
I thought the Savages might have been closer to my house but thinking about it 16 is entirely possible.
I am assuming the row of terraced house ran 2,4, 6 etc. Number 2, (my house ) was the first house in the row.
Maurice Savage was born about 1951, 1952, he still lives in Bangor, he was a boyhood friend. He had a Sister I remember as Mabel. I think his Father was Alex Savage and if memory serves me correctly his Mother was called Lillie.
As a very small boy I remember his Grandmother also lived there, she was quite old then.

Regards

Frank

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Hi aghadowey,

Wow! this is  all fantastic stuff, very interesting to me.
I remember " Mount Herald " as a boy, my Grandmother took me there a few times.
My Grandmother's second marriage to Alex did not work out and she seperated from him.
I did meet him a few times as a boy and he was always very pleasant to my Mother and myself as I remember.
Terence B Graham I also remember, I think he later became Town Clerk.
I have a letter from him to my Grandmother amongst many old photographs.
Many thanks for providing this information it really is of great interest to me,

Regards

Frank

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To :-  theGabriel
         George Gordon

Hi,

Thank you for your PM (theGabriel).
As requested I have sent the photograph taken in 1911, ( school photograph) to your personal email address.
George has already received this photograph from me earlier, he has discounted the photograph as being of his Mother as a young lady.
As already mentioned,  five of the Gordon's as children are shown on this photograph, my Grandmother included,  I have given their ages on my email to you.
The young lady E Lightbody has therefore not been identified as yet.
As the thread started with the Lightbody's we appear to have come round full circle.
The question for George and you, theGabriel, I suppose, is if this E Lightbody is any relation to either of you?
I think I have clarified my family relationships to the Savages and you would have enough information to verify any relationship on that side.
I wish you, theGabriel and George success in exploring the Lightbody's further

Regards

Frank


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 To : - thegabriel

Hi,  I had a quick look through the old photographs I have of family members.
Much of what I have is written by my late Brother, so this information my be inaccurate.

Savages : - I don't have the year of Isa's, ( nee Gordon ) marriage to David Savage but Isa was born in 1901 and died in 1981. It says David died in 1957, I do remember the funeral so that sounds correct. David was 59 years old according to what I have, their address was 88 Castle Street, Bangor.

Ethel Gordon ( my Grandmother )  - Graham - Savage ( second marriage )
I don't know when she married Alex Savage but I believe I know his side of the family.
I met Ethel's second husband as a young child in the 1950's.
I believe he was the Son of James H Savage a well known building contractor in Bangor.
The older Son died in action in 1917.
I have a book which shows me the family home and Ethel's second husband as a boy and my Grandmother did take me there, to the house, once or twice so I am assuming I have this right.
All a bit vague I know but hopefully you experts can now piece it together?
I know you have links to the Lightbody's but may I ask your links to the Savage's?
Who knows we may end up related in some distant way!
I do have some very old photographs, early 1900's so if there does turn out to be  a link I will be happy to scan and send these to you as I have been doing for George ( my Cousin ).
Perhaps you could provide your email address  ( through PM ) if you require these
as it's easier to just  scan and add as attachments?
I hope I have given you some more pieces of the puzzle,

Regards

Frank

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Frank,

Thanks for the family tree information.
I do see Ethel and Isa's family on the census. So I can see who their family was
before they were married.
I am wondering who Ethel's 1st marriage was to.
Also, I was wondering the parents names of Alex and David Savage (the spouses of
Ethel and Isa)
That should tell us if both or one of them are the brothers of Andrew Savage (born
1891) also of Castle St and Castle Square on the 1901 and 1911 Census'.

Oh, and I do see how many Savages there are. Also, I was surprised how many
Vincents there are. Its a lot of untangling.
I see a lot of David Savages in the area.
One married to Robine McVeigh - one married to a Hannah... that come to mind.

Thanks for the link to the Video. That is excellent. I love that sort of thing and
especially when I have a link to that place.

Hi,

My Grandmother, Ethel Gordon, married Robert Alexander Graham on 17/3/1922 in Pittsburgh,P.A. USA
Fortunately I have the original wedding certificate.Robert appeared to have died in 1932 in Pittsburg.
My Mother was born in the USA and Ethel returned to Ireland with my Mother.
Ethel later married Alexander Savage but seperated, I don't believe they divorced and I do remember when he died, my Grandmother Ethel was still alive at this time.
I believe I know about Ethel's second husband and who his parents were, I will supply this information later.
I believe I know when Isa married David Savage also.
My Mother's marriage was in 1943, but my Father, Francis Vincent was from Scotland, I had close ties with the Vincent family when growing up and often visited them and they came to us in Bangor.
Anyway I will clarify the Savage links over the next few days.
I do have a very interesting photograph from 1911 ( school photograph ), I have sent this to George. It shows four of the Gordon's ( my Grandmother included ) and an E Lightbody?
An old bangorian had supplied the names to the local newspaper back in 1975.
The E Lightbody ( young lady ) is puzzling both George and myself.



Frank

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Greetings Frank,

  Thanks so much for the response! And thank you for the offer
of sharing what you have, that is great.I would love to see
photos and stuff one day. I'd especially like to see Bangor and
Castle Square area and what the people look like.
May I ask your grandmother's names
and her sister's names and whom they married from the Savage
family, and roughly when they married? I am wondering about
the Savage family that lives at "house 62 in Castle Square" on
the 1911 Census. The parents are David (52yrs) and Mary (41)
with daughters Maggie (22) and Sarah(17) and sons Andrew (20),
David (13) and Alexander (4). I have found very sparse
information on them doing searches online over the years. I
wonder if your grandmother and aunt married into that Savage
family. I think that I saw that, that Alexander Savage may
have died around 1930 and that, that Andrew Savage was in the
Machine Gun Corps in WW1.
Frank, I see that you and George are cousins; are you a
descendant of a Lightbody too?
And, I guess from reading this, that Edith Lightbody is his
mother. I do see, her family on the 1911 Census.
I will map out the information that George has posted and if
you see this George, when I am going through my files, I will
see what I find for your Grandparents and before. I think I
could have something. I have a lot of Lightbody files. There
has been a lot of using the process of elimination to
determine my ancestral links. And, right now, anthing backward
or as siblings to my gr-gr-grandparents are guesses.

This is the Lightbody family on the 1911 Census at 96.1 Castle St. that I am a descendant from.
Lightbody   William John   42      
Lightbody   Jane   40   
Lightbody   Jeannie   20   
Lightbody   Mary   18   
Lightbody   Annie   22   
Lightbody   Nellie   15   
Lightbody   Sadie   13   
Lightbody   Susan   12   
Schofield   Tom   24      
Moore   John   16   
Lightbody   William James   11   
Lightbody   William John   9   
Lightbody   Herbert   7   
Lightbody   James   4   
Schofield   Albert   2

I am posting this now and am still trying to write more ....


Hi

George and I are related from his Father's side of the family, his Mother was a Lightbody!
George's Father was my Grandmothers Brother, they were Gordons.
My Grandmother, Ethel, on her second marriage, married into the Savage family.
I will verify when she married I think I have this amongst the photographs and old certificates that I found when my Brother died last year.
My Grandmothers husband was Alex Savage. My Grandmothers Sister ( Isa ) married David Savage, ( Isa and David ) lived in Castle Street, number 56 I think, something like that!
I need to clarify the Gordon - Savage links yet, it's slightly confusing as there were many of them in Bangor!
The Savage family that lived in Castle Square when I was a boy, late 1940's onwards lived about  4 or 5 houses along from me ( terraced houses ).
The Father's name ( if memory serves ), was again Alex so this is slightly confusing.
I was a friend of Maurice Savage, he was probably born about 1951, 1952, he had a  Sister Mabel that I remember also.
I will have a good trawl through what I have now got and see if I can piece some of this together re: Savage.
Hopefully you and George can continue with the Lightbody side of his family.
Meanwhile you might find this link useful, it shows a little bit of my childhood memories, turn on your speakers to fully enjoy it  :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5siE0f1Ef5E

Regards

Frank


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Hi,

Hopefully George will respond to your message, I am sure that he will.
I can tell you however that my Grandmother, through her second marriage , married into the Savage family.
My Grandmother's Sister Isa also married and became part of the Savage family. They lived in Castle Street, Bangor for many years and I have many fond memories and some photographs of them.
I spent a lot of time as a boy at " Aunt Isa's " house and Eric, her Son, was  someone that I remained in contact with until his  death.
In Castle Square where I also grew up there was indeed other members of the Savage family, one of my boyhood pals was Maurice Savage, I understand he still lives in Bangor.
I have tried in the last few months to contact Maurice but so far no response.
My Brother died last year in Bangor and I have come into many photographs. One is very interesting as it shows Edith Lightbody and some of my family members in the photograph.
I can only assume this to be George's Mother but I have not quite clarified this yet!
I am currently trying to sort these out, no easy matter when they go back such a long time.
If, and when I get round to completing this I would be more than happy to share what I have with you.

Regards

Frank


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Hi George,

Good to hear from you after all these years!
It was indeed Walter that I remember, as soon as I saw " Hayford and the Primacy " in your latest  post the pieces all fell into place!
It was only by chance that I came across this blog and seeing your name associated with Lightbody led me to join really in order to contact you.

Regards

Frank


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Hi Rambler,

Many thanks for your help.

I really hope George responds as I would love to get in touch with him, it must be 45 years or more since I last had any contact with him.
Nearly all my family in Bangor are now departed so I was beginning to see myself as the last man standing  :(
Once again Rambler I appreciate your help,

Regards

Frank

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