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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Hello An65, thank you for your info. I had some of this, but its nice to see where the gaps were. I was fairly certain Jane and Genty were the same, but had no proof to cross reference and same with Keomi/keytumus. I am wondering what happened to them as they appear on 1851 and 1871 census, but not 1861. I know Keomi's daughter Athel/Ethel by Frederick Sands, started in Buffalo Bills Wild West shows and there is reference to them in The States, so wondered if they went there for a while, of whether she was part of the shows when here?

I started tracing the Barron tree as I am a Barron and direct descendent, but in the short time I've been researching, have become distracted by the Grays and in particular Keomi's story.

Do you have any other info?

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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 20:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi Genty

I am struggling with this site, so if I sent you half a reply, you'll know why.  I have PM'd you my email.  I'm so fascinated to see the photos.  I have now gone through your posts and realised the Stanley and Clara you are talking about are definitely not Barrons, but I will do some research anyway.

Your name.......!  Keomi and Leberena's sister was Genty!  Is it pronounced with a soft G or like Gent as in man?

I will send you a list of the family members I know about and dates later this evening. I am intrigued to know your relation to this strand of the family.

Many thanks Nikki

Genty, I am really struggling with this site, so not sure if any of my posts have gone through.  In answer to your question about finding out about the ancestry, I work on ancestry.co.uk.  My sister-in-law who is an expert on this has helped me find info, quickly and accurately, but it is time consuming.  You need a certain amount of info, in terms of dates etc, but I am amazed at what I have uncovered without prior knowledge.  She tell me it is the best and easiest site to use, as she uses others also. I can help you by PM if you need to know more.

Nikki

Hello F
I'm not sure how or if I can help, I did start researching my family tree a while ago to find out for how many generations we have been Romany Gypsies but stopped looking to have baby 4 and 5 and to be honest just don't have time.   I have the photos mentioned and I will search for them, do you have an email address?
If you don't mind me asking how have you found out who and how your relatives are ?  Did you know the Grays or Smith from Norfolk?  Stanley & Clara?  If yes, how ? they were my grandparents.
Cushti Bok
  Hello, Many thanks for responding so promptly.  I would be thrilled to see photos etc. We are actually part of the Barron family and my father never spoke much about them.  I was interested in the fact that George Barron (I think Leborina's husband, there are so many I have to go back and remind myself) was a slot machine pioneer who then went on to become the owner of the Yarmouth Beach front arcades etc.  My Dad died and so I decided to pursue it for various reasons, but as you know there are so many threads.  I was unable to find out any more about Leborena and so stumbled on Keomi who is my fathers gg grandmother.  Because she was muse to Fredericks Sandys and Dante Rossetti, this intrigued me and I am amazed to discover there is a painting of her in the Tate London and another, Medea, in Birmingham Art Gallery.

I don't know the Gray's from Norfolk, but my brother who was brought up there had Gray's in his class at school.  Stanley and Clara sound familiar to me, but as Barron's, although Clara's maiden name would be different.  I can find out from my Norfolk contingent.

Which strand are you from?  I am fascinated by the Romany connection.

What photographs do you have?  I do have an email, but I don't think they allow you to post on here.  I think you have to post 4 times before you can converse offsite? 

I will send another two and see what happens.

Thank you so much.

Nikki

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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 19:52 BST (UK)  »
Hi Genty

I am struggling with this site, so if I sent you half a reply, you'll know why.  I have PM'd you my email.  I'm so fascinated to see the photos.  I have now gone through your posts and realised the Stanley and Clara you are talking about are definitely not Barrons, but I will do some research anyway.

Your name.......!  Keomi and Leberena's sister was Genty!  Is it pronounced with a soft G or like Gent as in man?

I will send you a list of the family members I know about and dates later this evening. I am intrigued to know your relation to this strand of the family.

Many thanks Nikki

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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 19:12 BST (UK)  »
and post 4

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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 19:12 BST (UK)  »
Hello Gray-girl, this is 3 of 4 posts in the hope something happens to allow to converse privately. Nikki

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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 19:10 BST (UK)  »
Hello F
I'm not sure how or if I can help, I did start researching my family tree a while ago to find out for how many generations we have been Romany Gypsies but stopped looking to have baby 4 and 5 and to be honest just don't have time.   I have the photos mentioned and I will search for them, do you have an email address?
If you don't mind me asking how have you found out who and how your relatives are ?  Did you know the Grays or Smith from Norfolk?  Stanley & Clara?  If yes, how ? they were my grandparents.
Cushti Bok
  Hello, Many thanks for responding so promptly.  I would be thrilled to see photos etc. We are actually part of the Barron family and my father never spoke much about them.  I was interested in the fact that George Barron (I think Leborina's husband, there are so many I have to go back and remind myself) was a slot machine pioneer who then went on to become the owner of the Yarmouth Beach front arcades etc.  My Dad died and so I decided to pursue it for various reasons, but as you know there are so many threads.  I was unable to find out any more about Leborena and so stumbled on Keomi who is my fathers gg grandmother.  Because she was muse to Fredericks Sandys and Dante Rossetti, this intrigued me and I am amazed to discover there is a painting of her in the Tate London and another, Medea, in Birmingham Art Gallery.

I don't know the Gray's from Norfolk, but my brother who was brought up there had Gray's in his class at school.  Stanley and Clara sound familiar to me, but as Barron's, although Clara's maiden name would be different.  I can find out from my Norfolk contingent.

Which strand are you from?  I am fascinated by the Romany connection.

What photographs do you have?  I do have an email, but I don't think they allow you to post on here.  I think you have to post 4 times before you can converse offsite? 

I will send another two and see what happens.

Thank you so much.

Nikki

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Travelling People / Re: Gray family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 17:38 BST (UK)  »
wow great to have some new info thank you very much!!

good to see people getting in touch too, excellent.

I have a photo of Oseri Grays daughter Leborina, a photo and some paintings of Keomi Gray her sister, and some of Genty Grays daughter Leonorah  if you are interested inbox me :)
Hello, I am just starting out researching my family tree.  My father's GG grandmother was Keomi Gray and his ggg grandfather was Osery Gray.  It is my understanding that Leberena (sp?) was Keomi's sister and she married George Barron.  There son Claude George Barron married Florence Bonnett who was the daughter of Keomi and Charles Stewart Bonnett, making them cousins, before husband and wife (Leberona and Claude). 

I would love to speak with someone further who knows more about the family and am interested in the photos and paintings you talked about in some of the posts I have seen.  I am new to this site and so haven't mastered it yet - not sure I'll find this post again! I have seen photos of Osery Gray and paintings of Keomi when she sat for Frederick Sandys and Rossetti.  Any further detail on any of the others would be hugely appreciated.  Many thanksF

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