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Cork / Re: Irish War of Independence or Civil War Records
« on: Sunday 01 September 13 21:07 BST (UK)  »
You should check to see if they are named in the files of the Bureau of Military History, especially the witness statements at

http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/bmhsearch/browse.jsp

There are some fascinating stories in there,

Happy searching,

Ainmchleite

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Cork / Re: Holy (Holley or Holly?) Family
« on: Friday 30 August 13 22:41 BST (UK)  »
According to some of our best and most widely-published authorities on Irish surnames (MacLysaght and de Bhulbh),  “O hUallaigh” has come from the Irish word “uallach”, with a meaning such as “proud” “vain” or “boastful!   This gives us names such as Holy, Holey, Holley, Hooley, Hooly, Howley, Wholly, Whooley, Whooly.  Don’t worry unduly about the spelling as the English-language versions are, for the most parts, just approximations of the original Irish-language names which tried to capture the sound of the original Irish word.  The names listed above are found mostly in West Cork, where ‘O hUallaigh’ seems to have originated.  The name Holy and Holey (often interchangeable spellings) are largely confined to North Cork, around Castlemagner and Mallow with the Whooley version being very common in West Cork.

Shane writes that “The Irish for Holly (the tree) is Cuileann, which is the connection to the original surname Ó Cuileannáin”.  Shane is correct.  The names “Cullinan”  (found mostly in Counties Clare-Limerick, Wexford-Waterford-Kilkenny) and “Cullinane” (found mostly in County Cork but also in Waterford-Wexford-Kilkenny) come from this root.  The surname ‘Holly’, found mostly in Kerry-Clare comes from Mac Cuilinn but in County Antrim there is a family of Welsh origin, McQuillan, which then got to be mistranslated as “Holley” on the assumption that it was originally an Irish name!

During the great wave of Irish Emigration in the 19th Century, many of our emigrants could not read or write (even their names).  Many were Irish speakers, some with little English.  Consequently, when they met Emigration Officers, Census takers and other Officials, they were not in a position to insist on a particular spelling of the name.  So, as you approach old records, do not expect consistency of spelling!

If this is not complicated enough already, I will offer one last complication.  There is an English surname, ‘Holy” (originating in Britain) with no connection to the Irish surnames discussed above.

So if your name is any one of those above, you actually need to have some details about your roots before you know how to write it in Irish!

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Ireland / Re: Thomas Barry, Elizabeth Barry and Ellen Barry
« on: Thursday 29 August 13 15:42 BST (UK)  »
Wondering if you have been following the thread at "Holy (Holley or Holly?) Family" which is following the Holy line (Elizabeth married Jeremiah Holy)?

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Ireland / Re: Thomas Barry, Elizabeth Barry and Ellen Barry
« on: Wednesday 28 August 13 11:15 BST (UK)  »
I am wondering if Harkel25 still checks in as I have some information that may be of interest to him/her in relation to the Holy Family of Castlemagner on whom I have done a lot of research, especailly those in Ireland, but also on some in the USA and in South Africa.  The family was centred on Cecilstown in the Parish of Castlemagner near Mallow in County Cork.

Ainmchleite

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Cork / Re: Holy (Holley or Holly?) Family
« on: Sunday 25 August 13 10:06 BST (UK)  »
I am wondering if Harkel25 still checks in as I have some information that may be of interest to him in relation to the Holy Family of Castlemagner on whom I have done a lot of research, especailly those in Irealnd, but also on some in the USA and in South Africa.  The family was centred on Cecilstown in the Parish of Castlemagner where they were significant tenants of the Becher family.

Ainmchleite

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