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Inverness / Re: Grant of Glenmoriston "Roy/ Ruadh" descent
« on: Wednesday 26 September 18 15:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the suggestion, but he did that years ago. This line comes down from a female ancestor, though.
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Inverness / Grant of Glenmoriston "Roy/ Ruadh" descent
« on: Sunday 29 September 13 14:50 BST (UK) »
My husband descends from a Glenmoriston Grant line who settled after the American Revolution in Glengarry County, Ontario, Canada. The first son born in Canada (in 1799) was known as James Roy Grant and his eldest son, Alexander James Grant was called "Alex Jim Roy."
I've been looking at the history of the Grants of Glenmoriston and see that the designation Roy or Ruadh goes back to the 15th century (Ian Ruadh Grant/ John Roy Grant, Sheriff of Inverness), but no lineage is online through succeeding generations beyond his son Patrick Mac Ian Roy Grant who died in 1508, apparently leaving a son called Patrick Reoch.
What I'm wondering is whether the "Roy" designation could have continued down to the 18th century in descendants of this Patrick Reoch or as a way of identifying Grants who lived on this family's estate. Or is it simply a coincidental name?
I've been looking at the history of the Grants of Glenmoriston and see that the designation Roy or Ruadh goes back to the 15th century (Ian Ruadh Grant/ John Roy Grant, Sheriff of Inverness), but no lineage is online through succeeding generations beyond his son Patrick Mac Ian Roy Grant who died in 1508, apparently leaving a son called Patrick Reoch.
What I'm wondering is whether the "Roy" designation could have continued down to the 18th century in descendants of this Patrick Reoch or as a way of identifying Grants who lived on this family's estate. Or is it simply a coincidental name?
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Scotland / Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« on: Sunday 22 September 13 12:05 BST (UK) »
Sancti, thank you for sending this!
It makes the history much clearer for me.
(The last paragraph reminds me of how people in the U.S. romanticize the losing cause of the South in our Civil War).
Joy
It makes the history much clearer for me.
(The last paragraph reminds me of how people in the U.S. romanticize the losing cause of the South in our Civil War).
Joy
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Scotland / Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« on: Friday 20 September 13 22:04 BST (UK) »
Skoosh, if you want to see how horrible Tilbury Fort was, take a look at this multi-page site I found: http://www.thurrock-community.org.uk/historysoc/jacobite.htm Note especially the passage about the attempt to provide sanitation. I will take a look at the archives. (I'm in the U.S. It didn't occur to me).
Joy
Joy
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Scotland / Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« on: Friday 20 September 13 19:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you again, Skoosh.
Unfortunately, I have only the names of two daughters, so can't connect to the sons' names.
I've been trying to become better educated about the Jacobite prisoners and have found a listing online that seems to include about 300 apparently at Tilbury Fort. There are five Alexander Grants on the list, one of whom was acquitted 16 Dec. 1746 and the others transported (unknown where). Nothing I've found shows women and children, though all the sites I've looked at say they were imprisoned along with the men.
The birth dates for the family group I am researching make me wonder whether the story about imprisonment can possibly be true. I am pasting the tree below (spelling as given to me). If, as in the tree, both Alexander and Isabel died at Tilbury Fort, where was 11-year-old Marjory? Unless she stayed behind in Scotland, I can't see how she could have survived and made her way back to grow up and marry. Family lore doesn't mention transport and marriage in, for instance, Barbados.
The more I look at this, the less likely it seems to me to be accurate.
1 Alexander GRANT b: 1689 in Sheuglie, Urquhart, Glenmoriston, Scotland, d: Tilbury Fort, Essex, UK; Jacobite prisoner
... + Isabella GRANT m: 19 Oct 1713 in Inverness-shire, Scotland, d: Tilbury Fort, Essex, UK
.....2 Hannah GRANT b: 1717
........+ ? GRANT
.........3 John "Dundreggan" GRANT, Esq. b. abt 1737 Dundreggan, Glenmorrison, Inverness, Scotland, d. 2 Oct. 1802, Williamstown, Glengarry, ON, Can.
.....2 Marjory GRANT b: 1735 in Scotland, d: Sep 1812 [My husband's line]
+ Alexander GRANT b: 1733 in Scotland, d: 22 Oct 1791
........3 Donald Alexander GRANT b: 1755, d: Jun 1840 in Williamstown, Glengarry, ON, Can.
+ Anne (Nancy) CAMERON m: Bef. 1792, d: Bef. 1828 in Williamstown, Glengarry, ON, Can.
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Unfortunately, I have only the names of two daughters, so can't connect to the sons' names.
I've been trying to become better educated about the Jacobite prisoners and have found a listing online that seems to include about 300 apparently at Tilbury Fort. There are five Alexander Grants on the list, one of whom was acquitted 16 Dec. 1746 and the others transported (unknown where). Nothing I've found shows women and children, though all the sites I've looked at say they were imprisoned along with the men.
The birth dates for the family group I am researching make me wonder whether the story about imprisonment can possibly be true. I am pasting the tree below (spelling as given to me). If, as in the tree, both Alexander and Isabel died at Tilbury Fort, where was 11-year-old Marjory? Unless she stayed behind in Scotland, I can't see how she could have survived and made her way back to grow up and marry. Family lore doesn't mention transport and marriage in, for instance, Barbados.
The more I look at this, the less likely it seems to me to be accurate.
1 Alexander GRANT b: 1689 in Sheuglie, Urquhart, Glenmoriston, Scotland, d: Tilbury Fort, Essex, UK; Jacobite prisoner
... + Isabella GRANT m: 19 Oct 1713 in Inverness-shire, Scotland, d: Tilbury Fort, Essex, UK
.....2 Hannah GRANT b: 1717
........+ ? GRANT
.........3 John "Dundreggan" GRANT, Esq. b. abt 1737 Dundreggan, Glenmorrison, Inverness, Scotland, d. 2 Oct. 1802, Williamstown, Glengarry, ON, Can.
.....2 Marjory GRANT b: 1735 in Scotland, d: Sep 1812 [My husband's line]
+ Alexander GRANT b: 1733 in Scotland, d: 22 Oct 1791
........3 Donald Alexander GRANT b: 1755, d: Jun 1840 in Williamstown, Glengarry, ON, Can.
+ Anne (Nancy) CAMERON m: Bef. 1792, d: Bef. 1828 in Williamstown, Glengarry, ON, Can.
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Scotland / Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« on: Thursday 19 September 13 21:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks! I guess that takes away my main concern. Now if I could only identify which Grants mine were! Most of the Grants who settled in Charlottenburgh, Glengarry, Ontario were from Glen Morrison, but sorting them out is a major headache. (It would help if every generation in every line didn't use the same six given names! 
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The line is believed to come down from Alexander Grant, b. 1689 Sheuglie, Urquart, Glen Morrison, who with his wife, Isabel Grant d. at Tilbury Fort. Their daughter, Marjory married another Alexander Grant, b. 1733 and had a son, Donald Alexander Grant (always referred to afterward as Alex), b. 1755 who is an 1802 Crown grantee [our Grant grantee, of course] settler in Charlottenburgh. After that, tracking them gets easy.
Any idea how I can learn which Alex Grant at Tilbury Fort was the right one? I'm not convinced the information I was given is correct.
)The line is believed to come down from Alexander Grant, b. 1689 Sheuglie, Urquart, Glen Morrison, who with his wife, Isabel Grant d. at Tilbury Fort. Their daughter, Marjory married another Alexander Grant, b. 1733 and had a son, Donald Alexander Grant (always referred to afterward as Alex), b. 1755 who is an 1802 Crown grantee [our Grant grantee, of course] settler in Charlottenburgh. After that, tracking them gets easy.
Any idea how I can learn which Alex Grant at Tilbury Fort was the right one? I'm not convinced the information I was given is correct.
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Scotland / Re: Jacobite prisoners from 1745
« on: Thursday 19 September 13 16:13 BST (UK) »
I see that there are 45 GRANTs listed. I was told by a fellow researcher of GRANTs who settled in Glengarry, Ontario, Canada after the American Revolution that the GRANT family from which my husband descends were among those prisoners. I am confused by this assertion. Weren't the Jacobites fighting for the Roman Catholic cause? If that's correct, then it is unlikely that ours were Jacobite prisoners as the ones who settled in Glengarry, Ont. were Elders in the Kirk of Scotland. Can anyone clarify this? (I supposed conversion is possible, but aside from that?)
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