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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Wednesday 11 September 13 07:42 BST (UK)  »
Hello Kate,
Thank you for sharing the information going back before Edward. I was really pleased to hear it. I had quite quickly got back to Edward on the Ancestry site, and then was stymied. Below is a link to several other links on Govers. I found the link on the pre wedding gathering to farewell Aunt Daisy interesting. It would be good to go into PM for the Mundy's information.  Also I will be scanning the Gover family documents I have and photo with Esther in it, so I can send that through to you.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=q&hs=1&r=1&results=1&dafdq=&dafmq=&dafyq=&datdq=&datmq=&datyq=&pbq=&sf=&ssnip=&tyq=&t=0&txq=Daisy+gover&x=28&y=8&e=-------10--1----0--

Howard

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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Sunday 08 September 13 03:27 BST (UK)  »
Hello Kate
I have been on the Ancestry site investigating Frederick's family tree and  get the same result as you. i.e
John > Edward > Robert > Frederick.   I have the dates of baptisms of Edward and Robert at Chatham Kent. I cannot trace back further than John as I don't have any way of dating when he was born. I put some approximate dates in the search engine for a possible DOB but there were quite a few John Govers came up, non of whom were born in Chatham. It is interesting to find out that Robert was a Wesleyan minister, and that you found a family resemblance to Frederick in the photo.
Here is a link to Frederick about the time he retired. You need to scroll down after entering link.
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WDT19051106.2.10&srpos=57&e=-------10--51----+F+gover--

Howard

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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Sunday 01 September 13 02:02 BST (UK)  »
Hello, Kate
I have obtained copies of the information that my relative has on Frederick, and I have a copy of the handwritten letter on Frederick's emigration to NZ.  Possibly the original has a date, as I can make out ..50 on it.
The version of the family tree that I have "has Frederick as the 3rd of 4 children of Robert Gover (of Maidstone, Kent) and Rebecka (sp?) Mundy (of Petersfield). 
Robert was the son of Thomas Gover and information starts to get sketchy there.  Possibly born 14.3.1773 Chipstable.  His parents may have been John and Ann.  It looks like he married Sarah Minifie."
We may have taken a few leaps of faith based on a letter from the 1980's that mentions Thomas Gover (early 1800's) having two sons William (whose descendants are in Australia)  and Robert (whose descendants are in NZ.
I would be interested to hear more on Edward, and the family tree of Frederick.
Here is a link that should get you to a photo, taken between 1890-1905, of the Fernridge School that Frederick taught at. In the photo are 3 staff on the far left , and the gentleman may be Frederick.
http://bones.mstn.govt.nz/archives.html
In the quickfind search enter gover, and press O.K
Left click on the photo of Fernridge School and it should enlarge sufficiently.
Also there are photos of Robert and Sid Gover in the Masterton hockey team. Sid is in the second row on the far right, and Robert is sitting  next to him.
There are Govers in the Marriage register shown.

Howard





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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Tuesday 20 August 13 11:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Kate
Here's what I have found out about Frederick Gover (1844-1932 ) and  Ester Ashwin.
According to the Cyclopedia of NZ, Frederick was born in Shipton in 1844, educated in Bath, and came to NZ in the ship Haddon Hall in 1875. He joined the Wellington education board, taught at Taratahi School, and transferred after one year to Fernridge School. He was headmaster there. The article appears to have been published about 1897, so he may have taught there for quite a long time. The cyclopedia says the average attendance was 90, and the headmaster was assisted by one certified and one pupil teacher.
The 1879 Education second annual report of the Minister of Education confirms that Frederick was teaching at Fern Ridge in the East Wairapara

The Haddon Hall left London 13 June 1874 and  arrived at Port Chalmers on 17 Sept 1874. In the ship’s passenger list there are 8 cabin passengers and 36 steerage passengers. The names of the 8 cabin passengers are known, but the 36 steerage passengers are not listed. If Frederick was on that voyage then he would have been in steerage.
The news did filter through to me a couple of years ago that Frederick had been expected to catch another boat that as you say was lost at sea.  A nearby relative has related the story as "Frederick's folks apparently didn't know he was on the Haddon Hall and assumed he had gone down with the Cospatrick.  They only discovered his continued existence some years later when a mail boat brought mail from him to them" We don't know how authentic the story is, but that is what has come through.
Frederick and Esther married in 1882 and had 4 children:  Daisy, Sidney, Robert, Joyce


Esther Ashwin was born in 1864. She had a long life, and I knew her as ‘Granny’ in Auckland from about 1950-53. I have the one small photograph of 4 Gover generations from Esther to myself taken about 1950. Esther was then living with her daughter Aunt Daisy. The photo is not a high quality/definition one of Esther, and in general, but everyone can be recognised. Not sure what the occasion is. My father and grandfather have ties on.

My grandfather had 3 children. My father is John. Robert is my uncle.  My father worked in the Bank in Auckland, so it was interesting to hear that your father had also worked in the bank.

Howard



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Warwickshire / Re: On finding the real EDWARD ASHWIN!
« on: Saturday 17 August 13 09:31 BST (UK)  »
Hello, Kate
Your reference to Daisy Gover really caught my attention. Frederick Gover is my great grandfather, and I am a grandson of Daisy's brother, Robert Gover. I knew Aunt Daisy quite well as I was in Auckland  1946-1953 when she was living in Great South road. Granny Gover was with her.  I also stayed with Daisy in 1964 when she was living in Orakau Ave Epsom, Auckland. I knew that Daisy had married a second cousin with the surname Gover, and lived in India. I met Daisy's brother, Sydney, on one occasion in 1969 when he was living in Hastings. This link should show you a painting of the ship Haddon Hall that Frederick arrived in NZ on 1874/1875     bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/the-ship-haddon-hall-173479
Best Wishes
Howard

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