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Lanarkshire / Re: Craig Brackenridge New Monkland
« on: Thursday 15 August 13 22:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Thursday 15 August 13 20:07 BST (UK)
It looks very much to me as if this is one person, sometimes recorded as Ann(i)e and sometimes as Sus(s)an(n)a. Of course one would need to check the original baptisms.

These baptisms are correct, I have copies of the originals.  The Gartshores did follow the Scottish naming tradition. Since John Gartshore's parents were named John and Elizabeth and his own name was John, it is no surprise they were the first children names and the name John was rechosen when two infants named John died young. So I have assumed that Susanna's parents were either Robert and Jean or John and Jean. Susanna is named Anna in a 1772 Bond and Tack in which Mary Mochrie promises to "support Anna Howie mother to the said Robert Gartshore my husband..."

Interestingly, in my notes taken from viewing the OPR for New Monkland, I have an entry for a baptism Feb 10 1696, John Howie & Jean Steel in Ridgend had a child baptized called Joseph, witness John Steel. This entry does not appear in a search of familysearch.org.  This couple do not appear in later baptisms, but John Howie and Margaret Steel in Ridgend or Hagmuir have children Mark (1697), John (1701) and Anna (1703).  I don't know if the name Jean Steel was a mistake in the register or whether she died and John married Margaret Steel.  Obviously Anna b. 1703 is too young to be Susanna Howie but this may be a family connection with the name Joseph Howie.

As usual, more questions than answers.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Craig Brackenridge New Monkland
« on: Thursday 15 August 13 00:51 BST (UK)  »
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Quote from: geneaglutton on Sunday 12 May 13 01:19 BST (UK)
I have an ancestor named John Craig who married Mary Gartshore in 1810 in New Monkland.


Hi geneaglutton.  We have corresponded in the past.  I'm new on Rootschat so still trying to learn the format for quotes etc.

I wonder if your John Craig was related to John Craig who was a witness at the 29 December 1712 marriage between John Gartshore and Susanna Howie. The New Monkland OPR entry is as follows:
p. 243
1712 Decr 29 John Gartshore and Susanna Howie  Witt: John Craig yo[unge]r in Middle Blairlin and William Thome son to Ro[ber]t Thome in Easter Glentore

I have also been unsuccessful at finding the ancestry of Susanna Howie, born abt. 1690. Since she and her husband, John Gartshore, named a son Joseph (b. 1736), I have wondered if she was related to Joseph Howie of Meikle Drumgray. However, I have not been able to find anything about her ancestry, let alone whether she is connected to Joseph Howie.  Any info would be welcome!

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Lanarkshire / Re: Craig Brackenridge New Monkland
« on: Thursday 15 August 13 00:09 BST (UK)  »
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"That John was the son of John Gartshore and Elizabeth Wood.  He was the son of another John Gartshore and was the one who moved from Kirkintilloch, Dunbartonshire to New Monkland."
These are my ancestors and there is no existing evidence that the father of John Gartshore who married Elizabeth Wood was a John Gartshore of Kirkintilloch.  In fact, there is no record of who John Gartshore's father might have been or where he lived, though a distant cousin, Graham Gartshore, may be correct in assuming he was named John Gartshore.   I have a copy of the marriage record of John Gartshore and Elizabeth Wood and copies of the sasines whereby John Gartshore borrowed money from Alexander Gartshore of Gartshore in December 1688, bought Middle Blairlin a week later and had paid back Alexander Gartshore by 1694 (interesting since these were times of economic hardship and religious and political turmoil).   No documentation has been found to explain the relationship between the two families but the proximity of their land (about 3 miles apart) and the fact of the loan suggest a possible/probable kinship.  Although much is known about the Gartshores of Gartshore back to the early 1600's and some references prior to this, there is no evidence yet found to prove a relationship....so far anyway.  The Gartshores of Gartshore eventually had no direct descendants and the estate was given to a distant relative through their female line, John Murray, 2nd son of Sir Patrick Murray, 6th Bart. of Ochtertyre, who took the surname Gartshore.  Unfortunately, they didn't offered it to my ancestors! :'(

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Lanarkshire / Re: Matthew Smellie of Medrox
« on: Tuesday 13 August 13 22:05 BST (UK)  »
Gary,
You mentioned that John Smellie's wife, Jane Miller, died but did not specify when. She must have died during or shortly after childbirth in January 1822 since the entry on p. 21 in the parochial register (New Monkland film 1066600, item 4) for the baptism of their daughter, Jane, reads:
Jane Miller Smellie dau. of John Smellie farmer North Myvot & the deceased Jane Miller b. 4th bapt. 17 Jan. 1822.
You might find a reference to a mortcloth for Jane in the parish register.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Matthew Smellie of Medrox
« on: Tuesday 13 August 13 21:35 BST (UK)  »
Forfarian,
You're reply regarding my post about the Gartshore, Smellie and Waddell families and our connection seems to have disappeared.
However, in response to your mentioning John Gartshore b. 1810 who died in Glasgow 1873 and married Margaret Moir - he was my gg-grandfather. He emigrated to Canada in 1833 and married Margaret Moir in Fergus, Ontario in 1836. He returned to Scotland in 1873 for his health and died there in 1873 and is buried in New Monkland Churchyard with his parents and other members of his family. His wife, Margaret Panton Moir, b. Aberdeen in June 1809, emigrated to Ontario with her family in 1835. John Gartshore and Margaret Moir lived in Dundas, Ontario and she died in Hamilton, Ontario, 2 September, 1899. That is why you cannot find them in the UK census. They lived in Ontario, Canada. 
Perhaps we need to start a topic on the Gartshores. I have extensive information on them and connected families and copies of some original documents dating back to John Gartshore who married Elizabeth Wood in 1673. One of the documents is a marriage contract between James Mochrie and Mary Waddell from 1727, Mary being the daughter of Robert Waddell and Janet Thomson.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Matthew Smellie of Medrox
« on: Monday 12 August 13 20:04 BST (UK)  »
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I have the line of this branch of Smellie`s  in Scotland until a John smellie married to Jane Miller (who died) and John remarried and  left Scotland and immigrated to Huntingdon, Quebec, Canada.  His 2nd wife (name unknown) died on the voyage to Canada.

I am new to Rootschat and am interested in some of the posts I have seen regarding the Gartshore and Smellie families. My ancestors are Gartshores from New Monkland, Lanarkshire.

I hope I can add some info and perhaps gain some too.  Helen Smellie b. 1783 to John Smellie and Elizabeth Shanks married Robert Gartshore, November 1813 in New Monkland.  Robert was the eldest son of Alexander Gartshore and Marion Steel of New Monkland, and was the elder brother of my gg-grandfather, John Gartshore. I have information on their descendants if anyone is interested.  A Lanark Sasine (No. 176 June 19th 1821) mentions John Smellie, Elizabeth Shanks and many of their children and spouses, including Helen Smellie and Robert Gartshore.  Robert Gartshore and Helen emigrated to Ontario, Canada, as did John Gartshore.
BTW, I have noticed some online trees mention that Helen Smellie died 1881 in Scotland but with no source reference. I have a source (Cobourg Library, Ontario) showing that Helen Smellie Gartshore died 7 October 1866, aged 84, and is buried in Wooler Friends Cemetery, Brighton, Northumberland County, Ontario.

I am very curious about the mention of the John Smellie who was married to Jane Miller and later emigrated to Canada.  Gary states that John married a second time and his wife, name unknown, died en route to Canada.  This comment really got my attention!  John Gartshore mentioned above emigrated to Ontario abt. 1833 with his sister (Janet Gartshore) and her husband, cited in a family history as named "Smiley".  She died within site of land and was reportedly buried in Newfoundland. Janet Gartshore married John Smellie 12 January 1829 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire.

I have often wondered if Janet's husband was related to Hellen Smellie and also wondered where her widowed husband went when he arrived in Canada. Based upon what Gary has posted, it appears that Janet Gartshore, sister of my gg-grandfather, John Gartshore, was John Smellie's second wife.  So, as I suspected, there appear to be two (at least) connections between the Gartshore and Smellie families.

I have a very large database on the Gartshore family and their connections going back to the 1600's and would be happy to share information.  Right now, I'm glad to have found some info on the Smellie connections.  :)

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