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Midlothian / Re: Jean Steel Death
« on: Sunday 16 February 25 12:24 GMT (UK)  »
Not at all; it's the normal practice in Scotland because in Scotland a woman does not lose her maiden surname on marriage.

That's very interesting.
Under what circumstances does a married woman carry her husbands name in Scotland?
I think I have found in census entries the wife always has her husbands surname.
Are there other times traditionally?
Thanks.
Chris.

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Midlothian / Re: Jean Steel Death
« on: Thursday 13 February 25 10:45 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rosie,
I discovered that in most cases wives are buried under their maiden name, which is quite unusual I thought.
Armed with that, I found another possible burial that could be my ancestor.

Buried 30th Oct 1857, Calton Burying Ground.
Janet Steele, from the House of Refuge is buried in the New Ground at West End Jamies border. Aged 79.

I think this is the corresponding death record:
STEEL, JANET
79
1857
685 / 5 / 442
Holyrood and Canongate

And in the 1851 census:
Name    Janet Steel
Age    72
Estimated Birth Year    abt 1779
Where born    Wick, Caithness
Parish Number    685/3
Civil parish    Edinburgh Canongate
County    Midlothian
ED    Queensberry House of Refuge
Page    20
Household schedule number    1
Line    5
Roll    CSSCT1851_185
Household Members:
Janet Steel    72    
James Skinner 53 Pauper
Ann Arnoth 54 Pauper

Any idea how I can more information about this?
Are there House of Refuge records available anywhere?

Thanks again.
Chris.

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Midlothian / Re: Jean Steel Death
« on: Sunday 02 February 25 11:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rosie,
Thanks for your help with this.

I found the Calton burials on Ancestry.
The first ones in that register are December 1841, so if she died after the census date and before December 1841 we need to find earlier registers.
The Calton burials seem to be fully indexed on Ancestry, and there's certainly Jane/Jean Steel in there, so that's a bit frustrating. Unless it's been very badly transcribed.

In regards to Peter Burns probate:
I don't understand why there's a probate in 1884 when he died in 1852.
Even Mary his wife died in 1878 so why a probate in 1884?
I can access the will on familysearch so maybe it's worth a look. I'd be surprised if it mentions Jane Steel though.

Any ideas what to do next?
Chris.

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Midlothian / Re: Jean Steel Death
« on: Saturday 01 February 25 11:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rosie,
Thank you so much for looking into this for me and supplying the information.
I guess that means I can rule out the other two possibles, which is at least something.

Yes Mary Burns nee Tod is her daughter.
She is the Mary living with Jean/Jane in 1841, and marrying Peter Burns in 1843.
My assumption is that Jane/Jean never remarried, and being still a widow in 1841 and aged 60 this is very likely.
Her husband John's will provided a sizeable trust for her to live on, under the proviso that she not remarry.
I know John Tod was buried in Calton Burying Ground on 28th Jan 1821.
And as you discovered Mary was also laid there in 1878.
I would guess that Jean/Jane died between 1841 and 1843, or certainly prior to 1851 (cannot find her in the census).
I'm assuming Mary stayed unmarried to care for her ageing mother, but was then free to marry in 1843 as her mother had passed away maybe???
But this is just a guess.
You would assume Jean/Jane to be in the same grave as her husband John.
Do you know if burial records for Calton post 1841 are available for searching?

What's your thoughts?
Chris.

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London and Middlesex / West Smithfield Churches
« on: Saturday 25 January 25 05:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Rootscatters,
I am seeking some local knowledge about the place known as 'West Smithfield' in London.
I have an ancestor who was a convict sent to New South Wales in 1828.
His convict records give his 'Native Place' as 'West Smithfield' or just 'Smithfield'.
I would like to find his baptism record (c1810), but I am not sure what churches I should be searching.
I think I found St Bartholomew the Great & St Bartholomew the Less are located in West Smithfield.
Are there other churches that might be found in West Smithfield that I should be searching in?
Any advice about records from West Smithfield is appreciated.
Regards,
Chris.
Adelaide, Australia.

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Midlothian / Jean Steel Death
« on: Saturday 18 January 25 05:26 GMT (UK)  »
I am having real trouble finding a death/burial for Jean Tod nee Steel, and I'm hoping someone can help by giving some advise.
Here's what I know:

Jean Steel, baptised 26-1-1780 at St. Cuthberts, Edinburgh, daughter of James Steel & Mary Gray.

Married John Tod, 4-4-1810 at Canongate, Edingurgh.
(John died 24-1-1821 and left everything in trust for his spouse, mentioned as Jean Steel)

Appears in 1841 living with her 30 year old daughter at Waouston Court, Edinburgh.
(Most likely Warriston's Close where they were living in 1821 when John died.)

Cannot find anything of her after 1841.

Here's what I can RULE OUT:
TOD, JANET
GRAY / JOHN GRAY
04/10/1842 (685 / 2) (510 / 123) St Cuthbert's.
(This Janet Todd married John Gray on 14-11-1812 at St. Cuths. Janet's father was Daniel.)

There are two other possibilities neither of which I can prove or disprove:

TOD, JANET  Aged 68 (should be 78 so possibly not correct).
Mother's maiden name: GRAY
1858 (347 / 15)
Dunbarney

Burial:
Calton Burial Ground in 'R.A. & P Tod's tomb'.
Spouse of G Greig esq.
Jane Tod
Died 12-11-1858 at Innellan. No age recorded.
From Edin & Glasgow.

Any help would be greatly in proving/disproving any of the possibilities, or any advise or help given would be greatly appreciated also.

Thanks,
Chris
Adelaide, Australia.

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Guernsey Baptisms Requests 1833-1840
« on: Tuesday 14 January 25 13:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Toby,
Thank you for your continued interest in this family and the research you are doing for me.
I was wondering where you found the later shipping register that had John's age as 36 and Mary-Ann's as 30.
I have seen a shipping list from this vessel but it had the same ages (35 & 29).
I would love to see the other one if you can point me to it please.

I found the burial registers for the 3 burials in Sydney (George, Elizabeth & Mary-Ann).
All three state their 'Quality or Profession' as 'Lower Class'.
Any ideas what this might mean?
Could it mean that John (senior) had died and they were destitute?

Thanks again,
Chris.

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Guernsey Baptisms Requests 1833-1840
« on: Sunday 05 January 25 13:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Toby,
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
This is an amazing find for me, especially for Mary-Anne.
There are over a dozen trees on Ancestry that claim she died in 1898. I knew this was wrong, but I wasn't able to find what was right.
I am pretty sure this is her, everything fits.
It also answers what happened now to all but one of the children.
John William is the only one left to trace now.
I'm pretty sure these shipping records relate to him:

Victorian arrivals:
Stephens John   DoB 1832   Aged 22 Ship: Siren   To Victoria   from Sydney   1854-07-3

Victoria Departures:
STEPHENS   JOHN   31   LONDON III   1857   OCT         TO SYDNEY

But after 1857 there are just too many John's to be sure when he died.
Thanks so much for all your research.
Chris.

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Channel Islands Lookup Requests / Re: Guernsey Baptisms Requests 1833-1840
« on: Thursday 02 January 25 10:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Toby,
Thank you so much for looking this up for me.
This is an amazing find for me in my research of this family.
It confirms what's in the shipping record and may help me trace what happened to this family in New South Wales.
Thanks again, appreciate it.
Chris.

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