Thanks for your replies, in 1851 I have him in Irk St with Tamar, who may or may not have been his wife, in 1861 he
is with his wife Elizabeth and family in Copperass St. I think he left his father Joseph in Yorkshire. He had a stall on Smithfield Market and then later a drapers shop at 310 Oxford St. I have no idea why he left Yorkshire or what the family did.
I have found the family on the censuses, and most BMD certs, but I never think that is enough, and try to find more info, and I have them in some trade directories. I also know that his wife's father William Wall was a hairdresser on Liverpool Rd in the 1830's but nothing else.
I suppose I'll ever really know what happened but the fun is in the trying