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Midlothian / Andrew Wood [Wod] b.c. 1518, father of Katherine Wood McMoran
« on: Sunday 15 December 24 02:20 GMT (UK)  »
Who were Andrew Wood's parents, wife, ancestors? His birth and marriage predates the Old Parish Records held by ScotlandsPeople. I've found no results from searching Ancestry, FamilySearch, Clan Wood website and keyword internet searching.

He was admitted into the Edinburgh Burgess in 1539. Earlier members of the Edinburgh Guild and Burgess were “Andrew, B. and G., "ad reqeuestem magestorum hospitii et eorum prepositi et datur gratis'' (gratis at the request of the masters of the hospital and their provost) 8 Jan. 1489-90; “Walter, B. and G., s. and h. of umq. John W. 23 Mar. 1508-9 and “Thomas, B., goldsmith, be r. of fr. John Wod, jun. 7 Aug. 1517” “Thomas, G., mt. 7 Aug. 1517.”

His daughter, Katherine, married William McMoran (spelling variations) as proved by William's admission into the Edinburgh Burgess and Guild in 1539. “Wm., B. and G., be r. of w. Katherine, dr. to Andrew Wod 30 Aug. 1539. Katherine and William's daughter, Issabell, married John McCall, “John, B., mt., be r. of wr. Issobell, dr. to Wm. Makmorane 5 Feb. 1561-2.”

Also, it appears that Andrew is of the Fifeshire Wood families and perhaps related somehow to Andrew Wood of Largo who was in the household of King James VI: a carver (November 1577 - July 1582), appointed coroner of Fife (July 1582), and comptroller (July 1585 -  July 1587). He was the great grandson of Admiral Andrew Wood of Leith.

Has anyone researched this family or have any suggestions for other websites I can search to find info on Andrew Wood, father of Katherine McMoran?

Cheers!
Beth

Sources:
1. Watson, Charles."Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses and Guild Brethern" database, Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/scottishrecordso46scotuoft accessed 4 December 2024.
2. Juhala, Amy. The Household and Court of King James VI of Scotland, 1567-1603; PhD thesis, University of Edinburgh, 2002. pp. 311, 30, 336 https://era.ed.ac.uk/handle/1842/1727 Accessed 12 December 2024.
3. Roll of Eminent Burgesses of Dundee, 1513 – 1886.     pp. 71-72  https://fairfieldgenealogysociety.org/Members_Only/World%20Research/Scotland/Documents/Roll%20of%20eminent%20burgesses%20of%20Dundee,%201513-1886%20(1887).pdf Accessed 13 December 2024.

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Fife / Andrew Wood [Wod] b.c. 1518, father of Katherine Wood McMoran
« on: Sunday 15 December 24 02:19 GMT (UK)  »
Who were Andrew Wood's parents, wife, ancestors? His birth and marriage predates the Old Parish Records held by ScotlandsPeople. I've found no results from searching Ancestry, FamilySearch, Clan Wood website and keyword internet searching.

He was admitted into the Edinburgh Burgess in 1539. Earlier members of the Edinburgh Guild and Burgess were “Andrew, B. and G., "ad reqeuestem magestorum hospitii et eorum prepositi et datur gratis'' (gratis at the request of the masters of the hospital and their provost) 8 Jan. 1489-90; “Walter, B. and G., s. and h. of umq. John W. 23 Mar. 1508-9 and “Thomas, B., goldsmith, be r. of fr. John Wod, jun. 7 Aug. 1517” “Thomas, G., mt. 7 Aug. 1517.”

His daughter, Katherine, married William McMoran (spelling variations) as proved by William's admission into the Edinburgh Burgess and Guild in 1539. “Wm., B. and G., be r. of w. Katherine, dr. to Andrew Wod 30 Aug. 1539. Katherine and William's daughter, Issabell, married John McCall, “John, B., mt., be r. of wr. Issobell, dr. to Wm. Makmorane 5 Feb. 1561-2.”

Also, it appears that Andrew is of the Fifeshire Wood families and perhaps related somehow to Andrew Wood of Largo who was in the household of King James VI: a carver (November 1577 - July 1582), appointed coroner of Fife (July 1582), and comptroller (July 1585 -  July 1587). He was the great grandson of Admiral Andrew Wood of Leith.

Has anyone researched this family or have any suggestions for other websites I can search to find info on Andrew Wood, father of Katherine McMoran?

Cheers!
Beth

Sources:
1. Watson, Charles."Roll of Edinburgh Burgesses and Guild Brethern" database, Internet Archive (https://archive.org/details/scottishrecordso46scotuoft accessed 4 December 2024.
2. Juhala, Amy. The Household and Court of King James VI of Scotland, 1567-1603; PhD thesis, University of Edinburgh, 2002. pp. 311, 30, 336 https://era.ed.ac.uk/handle/1842/1727 Accessed 12 December 2024.
3. Roll of Eminent Burgesses of Dundee, 1513 – 1886.     pp. 71-72  https://fairfieldgenealogysociety.org/Members_Only/World%20Research/Scotland/Documents/Roll%20of%20eminent%20burgesses%20of%20Dundee,%201513-1886%20(1887).pdf Accessed 13 December 2024.

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Antrim / Re: Battle of the Boyne, 1690 Account Book
« on: Monday 04 November 24 02:45 GMT (UK)  »
It will be great to have this resource! Thanks for keeping us posted.

Also, I just discovered a book English Army Lists and Commission Registers, 1661 - 1714  which may be of assistance.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/English_army_lists_and_commission_registers%2C_1661-1714_(IA_englisharmylists03dalt).pdf

Cheers!

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Antrim / Re: Graham-Kinnear in Barony of Toome, Antrim 1700s
« on: Monday 04 November 24 01:17 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you, Elwyn! I appreciate you correcting me regarding the Jacobites with details! I did know that but jumped to an erroneous hypothesis because of the birth year of John Graham. They were Presbyterians, as you suggested and I omitted to mention. Such a shame that the early church records won't be of assistance to me. As I wrote in my query, I've already been working on DNA matches through FTDNA, but appreciate your suggestion.
Cheers!
Beth

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Antrim / Graham-Kinnear in Barony of Toome, Antrim 1700s
« on: Sunday 03 November 24 15:06 GMT (UK)  »
Elizabeth GRAHAM, my direct maternal 5th great grandmother, was born no later than 1770. She married Robert KINNEAR (Kinnaird, Kinneir, etc. spelling variations) by 1783. They had a daughter, Elizabeth, who was baptized in December 1784 in Dromore Parish (County Down, Ireland). According to the baptismal record (transcribed by Mettam) for their daughter, they were living in “Edna__” which is likely Edenordinary or Ednego Townland. The family remained in or returned to County Down, as Elizabeth Kinnear married George JAMISON there before August 1809. Elizabeth Graham and Robert Kinnear may have married earlier than 1783 and had additional children prior to Elizabeth.

My autosomal (3rd - 5th cousin level) and mitochondrial (H13a1a) DNA matches to the profile manager on FTDNA whose earliest known direct female ancestor was Mary RICHMOND of Galston, Ayrshire, Scotland. Unfortunately, he has not responded to an email sent by the FTDNA H13 Project manager on my behalf.

In Scotland:
Robert GRAHAM married Elizabeth RICHMOND in Galston Parish on 7 February 1741. Their son, John, was baptized there on 21 August 1743. No parish records for later events of this family were found in Galston Parish in the Scotland's People database. Perhaps this Galston Graham family were Jacobites and wanted to the aftermath following the Battle of Culloden in 1746, joining family in the Ahoghill/Ballymena area. The Galston, Ayrshire censuses of 1861 to 1881 show that Robert KINNAIRD, a coal miner, was born in 1834 in County Down, Ireland. He married Sarah GRAHAM. He may have moved back to Galston for employment joining relations who had stayed there.

In Antrim:
Numerous records show that both the Graham and Kinnear families lived in Ahoghill, Antrim as early as 1669 (Hearth Tax, on the Galgorm Estate, historically Ballyconnell, Glanagherty), if not before.
Additionally, 1) Mathew RICHMAN was a resident of Drummaul in 1740 (no Richm* found in County Down during this time), neighbor of Francis KINARD and James (x2), John and Thomas GRAHAM. 2) John GRAHAM, possibly son of Robert from Galston, was listed in the 1776 Religious Survey as a Dissenter, along with Arthur, Alexander and William, all living in Ahoghill. Also listed as Dissenters of Ahoghill were James KINNEARD, Pat Kinnear, John Kinnard, William Kinnard and Alexander Kinneir. 3) Robert KINNEAR (perhaps Elizabeth's husband) signed the Dissenters Petition while living in Ballymena in 1775.

I speculate that Elizabeth Graham, my ancestor, was born in the Ahoghill area to either Robert Graham and Elizabeth Richmond or their son, John, and she subsequently married Robert KINNEAR, also born there.

Thanks ever so much, in advance, for your assistance in finding the births and marriage of Elizabeth Graham and Robert Kinnear. Of course, additional information on them and their ancestors/family groups would be most welcome, as well as meeting new cousins.

Cheers,
Beth

Sources for the above information are available upon request.
The profiles for Elizabeth Graham and Robert Kineer can be viewed at WikiTree.
X-post Fiona's County Down group, WikiTree G2G and FTDNA Projects: Graham, North of Ireland and County Down.

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Armed Forces / Re: British Regiment Service 1804-1828
« on: Tuesday 28 February 23 04:08 GMT (UK)  »
@Andy - I may have found why he was listed in the Coventry Recruiting Station records. According to the BBC Feature Transplanting Irish roots in Coventry https://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/features/stories/irish/coventry-irish-history.shtml, during the Great Potato Famine, many Irish came to Coventry, England. AND, I found that he and Elizabeth were living on Cow Lane in St. Michael's District, Coventry in 1841 [census]. His occupation is listed as staff sergeant! So far, I've not found their deaths/burials in Warwickshire, so they likely both moved to Dublin when he was admitted into Kilmainham. Nor have I located his military records for when he was living there. Always more research!  :)

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Armed Forces / Re: British Regiment Service 1804-1828
« on: Tuesday 28 February 23 03:03 GMT (UK)  »
@Andy - thanks ever so much!
I wonder whether the clerk filled it in during the 50s as a copy of records? He did have a heck of time with his pen and ink! My interpretation was fairly close, but much benefited by your work. Thank you and thanks for the source! It would be great to find the letters! I'll see what I can find at National Archives, and elsewhere if needed, for Royal Kilmainham Hospital records. I wonder if George died there and is buried in the associated cemetery?

Great to learn more about the regiments. Yes, I think at least part of his early years of service were in homeland defense as I found a pay roster of him and a likely relative, James Jamison, which occurred in Freshford, Kilkenny. And great to learn more about the travel money he and his family received.

With your assistance I believe I'm ready to do more on my own now.

Again, thanks! May your kindness be repaid a hundredfold!

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Armed Forces / Re: British Regiment Service 1804-1828
« on: Monday 27 February 23 02:38 GMT (UK)  »
Wow, so many helpful responses. Thanks! I've so much to learn, and you are all helping so much!

@ShaunJ
+thanks for clarifying the complete name of the battalions
+new colors date/place: thanks for the correction. I had gotten the date and place from Appendix IX of Fylar, which I misinterpreted because George's 1828 discharge paper shows Weeden AND Isle of Jersey which confused me. I now see that his transfer from the 3rd to the 50th occurred at Fort Regent Jersey but his discharge paper was signed and sealed at Weeden; as for the date, my typo and I just discovered that he was promoted to colour sergeant by 1821. See my response to Andy.

@Andy
+thanks for the information about his service between 1808 and 1811, the medal he would have received if he had been alive and that he would not have been included in a War Memorial since he didn't die in service.
+Also thanks for the explanation about his duties as colour sergeant, pension and families accompanying soldiers. As I was reviewing the documents I found, I noticed a note written on the side of his 1821 discharge paper which states that he was colour sergeant then! So, again, I've misinterpreted the document for his service 1825-1828. [what a learning curve!]
+The wonderful document you found and attached does indeed appear to be my George, as the dates match. Thank you! What is the source, please? Are you able to interpret what is written? With my lack of knowledge, I can guess, but I'd like to get it correct.
+This also brings up another question:
Could the length of stay have been for short while? George was married and had 3 children by 1821. From his 1821 discharge in Belfast, "Sergeant Geo Jamison 1 Company; Kilmainham Pensioner; Residence Dromore; wife Elizabeth three children." Also, "Sergeant George Jamison has received eight shillings and three pence ....to enable himself and family proceed to Dromore, 14 miles."

Again, ShaunJ and Andy, thanks so much!

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Armed Forces / British Regiment Service 1804-1828
« on: Sunday 26 February 23 15:20 GMT (UK)  »
My 4th ggf, George Jam?son was born in 1782 in/near Dromore, Down. He enlisted in 1804 as a private in Kells, Westmeath and his final discharge was on the Isle of Jersey in 1828 as a color sergeant (NCO). In between these dates he served in several different units:
97th 4 June 1804 - 23 December 1818 (part of time in Freshford, Kilkenny, achieved rank of sergeant, discharged Dublin)
Out pension 24 December 1818 - 24 November 1819
8th 25 November 1819 - 26 March 1821
Out pension 25 March 1821 - 31 October 1823
3rd 1 November 1823 - 24 October 1825
50th 25 October 1825 - 10 July 1828 (promoted to Color Sergeant in October 1825, discharged due to "long service and worn-out.")

Considering the loss of military records during WWII when the War Office was bombed, I feel fortunate to have found several official documents for his service, through using Fold3 and the National Archives at Kew. I've also consulted: National Army Museum Chelsea, London online collection; Stack, Wayne. Rebellion, Invasion and Occupation: A Military History of Ireland, 1793-1815; and The London Gazette.

I've been trying to fill in the details of his service but so far, have not had much luck in finding online sources of information. George's last regiment was the 50th. I did find Fyler's book, The History of the 50th Or (the Queen's Own) Regiment from the Earliest Date; Chapman and Hall, 1895. https://archive.org/details/historythorquee00fylegoog  It provides some interesting information but nothing specific about George.

Despite googling so much that Google thinks I'm a robot,  I still have questions. I hope that someone has some great sources that I can access online to help answer the following:

It appears from Fyler that he may have fought overseas. Did he see other combat? Was he wounded? Was he awarded any medals? Is there a War Memorial which has his name?

He was promoted to Color Sergeant on 25 October 1825. The regiment received its new colors in Weedon, Isle of Jersey in October 1827. Did he take part in the ceremony? If so, what was his function?

How much were his pensions? Were his 2 re-enlistments due to economic hardship as civilian?

Did his family accompany him on all tours of duty? I know that they were with him in Newry. George was given money to assist in transporting his wife, Elizabeth and their 3 children back to the Dromore area in 1821. I have seen a few references that families accompanied soldiers. What were the barracks like? What was family life like? Did woman give birth while living there? [I know that his daughter, Elizabeth, was born in 1810 and his son George, was born in 1813, both in Dromore Parish;  but only guessing on his 3rd child]

Thanks to those who shared the abundance of Resources to check. Is there an easy way to see if they contain records for the above regiments? And, thanks for any leads you can provide!

Beth
George's profile on WikiTree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Jamison-1231

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