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Perthshire / Re: Lauder's, Perthshire.
« on: Sunday 10 April 16 08:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi there. Awfully interested in what research youve done re the George lauder(s) above. I was wondering who you might be ...then seeing your research Interests at the bottom of your post I vaguely remembered the surname Winwick from the early years of searching my genealogy and my brother Ewan was in touch with Robyn in Australia via Bruce Doig. And then Anna Moir and all the research youd done on her came back to me (I think I remember reading some of your articles in the Tay Valley FHS booklet) anyway I better go and walk the dog and then get the garden tidied up. Making the most of what's supposed to be a sunny day in Glasgow 😄 best wishes,
George hebenton

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Stirlingshire / Re: Old Parish Records Aitken/Marshal
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 21:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello all, I realise some of these posting are from a while back but I'll add my info in case it helps. I'm a descendant of Thomas Brown & Agnes Aitken Wilson who married in 1865. Agnes was a granddaughter of James Wilson & Agnes Aitken. When Mr & Mrs Brown celebrated their Golden Wedding in 1915 the Falkirk Herald printed a wee report which had a photo (happy to share said photo & article with anyone who wants it). The article said that Agnes had a remarkable memory and further that "her forbears the Aitkens had farmed for generations at Carron"  I'm not sure whether that puts a spanner in the works of the suppositions of our Agnes being the 1788 christening to John Aiken & Mary Marshall in Slamannan or whether it was earlier generations still who farmed at Carron? At least it gives a possible direction for further research. It's a shame that the specifics retained in Agnes's 'remarkable memory' weren't passed through the generations. My own gran was her granddaughter and had fond memories of visiting her gran & grandpa Brown where they stayed in Kelty in the 1910s&20s.
Also I think too  that James Wilson (married to Agnes Aitken) was a son of James Wilson & Jean Gaff. I think Jean Gaff may be identical to Jean Duff, I dont know whether it was typos on the part of the parish clerk or what other reason there may be but James Wilson & Jean Duff/Gaff seem to appear in the same places and the names are not too disimilar to cause confusion. It's possible that this James WIlson was a son of Peter/Patrick Wilson & Janet Gordon (this couple are, confusingly, also ancestors maternally of Agnes Aitken Brown nee WIlson!)
Look forward to hearing from anybody about these ancestors we may have in common
best wishes

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This has stumped me. 2nd entry from top is the baptism of Elizabeth daughter of John Boog, shoemaker, and his wife Ann Reid in Dec 1805. Helpfully at this time in Dundee's record-keeping there was a "named after" column with almost all the children christened having the same Christian name as the witness. I can read the "E" in the witness name for the Boog entry but the surname has stumped me. The only known surnames in earlier generations of this family was Reid itself, and on the father's side Bog(g)/Bogue/Boag/Boig or Bogie and Yoolie/Yule. I don't think it is any of these surnames. My limited software doesn't seem to have a facility to make the image "negative" which has sometimes made writing more legible on an earlier computer. Many thanks in advance for any guesses hazarded!
best wishes,
George

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thanks to you both for the advice and information.
I have already tried the British newspaper archive. Although there are a number of Angus/Forfarshire newspapers online the Montrose one isn't so it would take a long slog to search through what could possibly be decades of papers
Maryton is a rural parish just outside of Montrose so the fact he was a hired daily farm labourer would mean James could have been passing through and may not even have lived in the area for any length of time.
It was a long shot.... but I live in hope!
Thanks again for your help  :)

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Hi,

A long shot....
Helen Ann Gordon Robertson was born illegitimately in Maryton, by Montrose to Jessie/Janet Campbell and James Robertson, a day labourer, in 1843.

Nothing else is know of James Robertson's origins.
His daughter Helen later married John Hebenton and had a large family in Montrose.
Family lore says thatJames Robertson emigrated to Australia and put an ad. in the local Montrose newspaper some years after settling there asking for his daughter to get in contact.
Perhaps she hadn't told her family she was born out of wedlock, in any case the ad. went unanswered, and any knowledge of the specific timing of it too, to find it again.

Does any Robertson researcher  in Australia have a smiliar tradition of a James Robertson looking for his daughter back in Scotland?

thanks for reading,
George

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Hi,

A long shot....
Helen Ann Gordon Robertson was born illegitimately in Maryton, by Montrose to Jessie/Janet Campbell and James Robertson, a day labourer, in 1843.

Nothing else is know of James Robertson's origins.
His daughter Helen later married John Hebenton and had a large family in Montrose.
Family lore says thatJames Robertson emigrated to Australia and put an ad. in the local Montrose newspaper some years after settling there asking for his daughter to get in contact.
Perhaps she hadn't told her family she was born out of wedlock, in any case the ad. went unanswered, and any knowledge of the specific timing of it too, to find it again.

Does any Robertson researcher  in Australia have a smiliar tradition of a James Robertson looking for his daughter back in Scotland?

thanks for reading,
George

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Stirlingshire / Re: Wilson of Larbert
« on: Friday 12 July 13 22:26 BST (UK)  »
Hi Dano,

I've just recently started using rootschat. It seems we have a couple of connections in common.
So I thought I'd say hello.
1) I'm a descendant of James Wilson & Agnes Aitken of Polmont via their son
Thomas Wilson married to Elizabeth Marshall.
My line goes like this...
their daughter Agnes Aitken Wilson married Thomas Brown
their son Charles Brown married Janet McMillan
Their daughter Agnes Wilson Brown married William Hebenton and were my grandparents

2) Going back to Thomas Wilson's wife Elizabeth Marshall.
She carried on her husbands carting business in Armadale after he left her a fairly young widow.
She was known as "coalie Leezie".
Her parents were Peter Marshall & Mary Hamilton.
Peter's parents were John Marshall & Elizabeth Wilson.
Elizabeth Wilson died in Greenock poorhouse in 1861 aged 88, her parents were Henry Wilson & Agnes/Ann Frew who wed in Muiravonside in 1769 (I cycled past there today lol!)
Henry Wilson & Agnew Frew had at least 6 children:
Janet (1769 Muiravonside)
Peter (1771 Larbert)
Elizabeth (my ancestor) (ca.1772-75 Larbert)
John (1784 Carriden)
Henry (1786 Carriden)
William (1790 Carriden)

-As their eldest son was Peter, an educated guess would mean Henry's father was a Peter Wilson
(hold that thought)

-I spied another couple in the Muiravonside registers.
Alexander Wilson & Janet Frew who married there in 1775.
There are large gaps between the baptisms of their children but they also had a Peter.

I'm wondering if it was a case of the Wilson brothers (Henry & Alexander) marrying the Frew sisters (Agnes/Ann & Janet)?
Looking for possible baptisms of an Alexander & Henry Wilson fathered by a Peter the most likely candidate I could find was Patrick/Peter Wilson & Janet Gordon.
Their son Henry born at Hillhead, Lasswade in 1747,
and son Alexander born at Hawthorden, Lasswade in 1752
As you probably know the youngest of the Wilson/Gordon family were born in Muiravonside in the early 1760s... linking the naming pattern with the places the Wilson/Frew marriages took place.

Reading of your descent from a Larbert branch of this WIlson family I would be really interested to compare notes and see what you make of these theories.
Oh, and by any chance have you ever looked at the marriage entry for Patrick/Peter Wilson and Janet Gordon in Lasswade in 1743? It doesn't seem to be available for viewing on scotlandspeople. I'm wondering if it would give any clues to the parish of origin of bride or groom if they were not both simply residents of the parish of Lasswade then.

I better stop for now
Best wishes,
George Hebenton

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Fife / Re: Tracing PHILP/PHILLIPS from Fife
« on: Friday 12 July 13 21:52 BST (UK)  »
My ancestors are John Campbell & Helen Philp, married 1757 in Dunfermline.
Although there are numerous Philps in Dunfermline prior to that date I am struggling
to  ascertain her parentage. Has anyone else been researching this couple?
The only clues I have are that one of the witnesses to the eldest three of
John Campbell & Helen Philp's children (1758, 1760 & 1764) was "John Philp, farmer, of Nether Beath".I would guess John was either Helen's father or brother.
I have viewed a few baptism of Philps in Dunfermline but none so far give a John resident at Nether Beath. I have found a John Philp who was a farmer at Pittencrieff, married to Agnes Brough/Burgh with children born there in 1730/40s. Could this be Helen's father?
Any suggestions welcome.
Thank you,
George

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