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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Friday 21 June 13 10:59 BST (UK)  »
The lovely Carol has sent a doc which clearly states that Thomas was sent to Cashell - spelt with 2 ll's, and then moved to Dublin ready for transportation.
She also sent another doc for Mary on her own which gives the name of a Robert Banks as the store owner which she stole fabric from. As Carol pointed out, it's a line of investigation that might be worth looking at.

I initially wondered if that was the case as well AnnClare, but both Thomas and Mary seemed to have up in front of the courts a number of times. Of course they may have been repeat offenders until they managed to get transported. As you said, it happened a lot by folks looking for something better than what life in Ireland had to offer, especially if you were Catholic.

Also, Mary's cause would have been delayed as she would have had to petition the courts for her children to be allowed to accompany her. Would love to get my hands on that petition.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 11:44 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that, you're a darling  :-*

Was very much a matter of survival wasn't it..........especially for the Irish Catholics. No wonder so many of them deliberately committed crimes in the hope of transportation and a new life.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 10:47 BST (UK)  »
Really ??? Third offense, - should I be mortified at that ??? I'm surprised they had not transported her earlier. I don't supposed they mentioned any areas ???

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 10:18 BST (UK)  »
Thanks James. It definitely read as sessions, not assizes - basically petty theft of clothing, so not overly serious.

Will take a look at that link and see if I can find anything useful - Thanks Carol.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 08:48 BST (UK)  »
That's interesting Valerie, as Clonmel is close to where I am hoping they are from.

Are you sure you want this Carol.........Irish research drives me nuts. I guess I've been spoiled with the wealth of information at the Australian end, lol.

Okay, here's what I know so far..............
Thomas Halfpenny b abt 1801, Tipperary. Convicted June 1841, Tipperary, transported  Nov 1841 age 40 on the Richard Webb. Convict indents stated wife Mary, 1 brother (no name), 6 children, all girls.

Mary Halfpenny - maiden name unknown as yet. b abt 1811. Convicted December 1841 Tipperary, transported August 1842 age 31 on the Hope. Five daughters accompanied her on the voyage - Johanna b 1830, Ellen b 1833, Margaret b 1836, Mary b 1838 and Catherine b 1840. A 6th daughter was left behind who I assume was the eldest child. I have no records for the girls births or baptisms - their ages are from orphanage records in Tasmania.

I have found 2 adjoining tithe applotments for Monkstown, Innishoughaght for 1826 belonging to a William and Thomas Halfpenny. Thomas was listed as a labourer on his indents. Shame they did not mention the brothers name.

Please don't go to too much trouble, but if you get bored...........lol Any help is very much appreciated. Cheers, Sharon :)




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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 00:52 BST (UK)  »
Yes, the sessions were always held in the cities or larger outlying towns, so I think it might just be Cashel but with slightly illegible handwriting and poor spelling - thanks for that Carol :)

Now the bigger question is, from where were they sent ???  :-\

thanks for all your input folks - much appreciated.  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Help with document writing please.
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 09:49 BST (UK)  »
I'm thinking you might be right Carol. Cashel was my first thought but I didn't want to be presumptuous. Looking at the end of the word there is no 'dot' over the i, if that was what it was supposed to be, but the 'i' in sessions is dotted. Also if it is an 'e' then it's not written very clearly, but neither is the 'e' in sent.

Seriously, you'd think they would have had some consideration for us poor researchers a century or two down the track.  ::)

I'd still love to hear of any other options somebody might have to offer though............just in case.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Help with document writing please.
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 08:15 BST (UK)  »
Hi, I've recently come across a document for the arrests of my two 4x g grandparents in Tipperary 1841. However for the like of me I cannot fully decipher the writing. It says " Sent to..... Sessions"
I'm unsure if the place they were sent was Cashel, but misspelled  with a ll, or something different. It could also be Carhill or Curhill, but I'm unable to find any place name in Tipperary that matches.
Both were tried and sentenced in Tipperary, but it only mentioned the county by name with no exact location.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Sharon




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Australia / Re: Convict ancestry?
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 07:51 BST (UK)  »
Well, I'm only about 5 years too late but I just found this, lol. I have 10 convicts - 5 Irish and 5 English. The youngest was 13 year old William Leeming from Preston, Lancs. He later married Mary Curran who was transported herself at the age of 16 from Galway.I have 2 sisters sent out a couple of years apart from Cork, Ireland. Catherine was sent to VDL in 1852 and Bridget (my 3xg GM) followed 2 years later. Although they both ended up in Tassie, I have no idea if they had contact with each other once there. Bridget herself married a convict - George Brown and they moved to Victoria. I'm currently researching my Halfpenny family from Tipperary. Thomas and wife Mary (4 x g GP's were both sent out to VDL, although separately, and Mary was accompanied by 5 of their 6 daughters. Their daughter Ellen, my 3 x g gm married John Smith, a convict from Worcestershire. Then there is Edward Rhodes, whose wife and child both died whilst he was incarcerated, and he remarried in VDL, only to have his new wife also die at quite an early age, although she did give birth to 2 daughters first, one of them being my line.
The last of my convicts is Charles William Smith who was the only one not sent to VDL, but ended up in Fremantle upon his arrival in Australia. I have to say though, that the English convicts are far easier to research than the Irish. Although the Irish convict records are just as immaculately kept as the English, it is harder to find information on them prior to their arrest, and also a lot more expensive.

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