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Somerset / Re: chapple ashcott somerset
« on: Friday 03 March 23 10:04 GMT (UK)  »
And in 1871:
Reference RG10, Piece 2391, Folio 100, Page 15
Pedwell Corner, Ashcroft

Chapple, James  Head  M  65  Builder retired 
Chapple, Sarah  Wife  F  65  General Shop Keeper
Chapple, Anna  Daughter  F  24  Ladies Day School
Chapple, Harriett  Daughter  F  19  School Assistant
Chapple, Walter J  Son  M  27  Lodger
Chapple, James  Grandson  M  5  b Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia

All others born Ashcott

*bump* I'm researching this family too. I know young James (listed here as a 5 year old) was the son of William Sandy CHAPPLE (Walter's elder brother) and Elizabeth BANCROFT, who married in Australia in 1864. William died young in 1867, and Elizabeth gave birth to another son a few months later who did not survive infancy. It seems Elizabeth went on to have another son out of wedlock in 1870. It's not quite clear how young James came to be in England without his mother in the 1871 census - did Walter (who was also in Australia when William died) take him back to England? Elizabeth reportedly ended up in the USA. Would be interesting to see any passenger lists confirming their movements around this period.

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Other Countries / Israel: vital records?
« on: Friday 03 March 23 09:39 GMT (UK)  »
How might one track down a record of a marriage that took place in Israel in the 1960s? I don't speak Hebrew, and I don't know whether marriage indexes from that era are public or private.

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Lancashire / Re: Private Baptism for illegitimate child?
« on: Saturday 06 July 13 23:46 BST (UK)  »
I now have a copy of the birth certificate for Roland Brian Lewis, born 3rd May 1908, but it doesn't really give any more information than the baptism record. Unfortunate also that the mother's age is not recorded, unlike birth certificates for some other countries. Thanks for the tip about the LancashireBDM web site, but this is really a needle in a haystack situation!

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Lancashire / Re: Private Baptism for illegitimate child?
« on: Sunday 23 June 13 07:50 BST (UK)  »
I have a few conjectures as to who the father might have been, but the names "Roland Brian" are not the current list of suspects. :)

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Lancashire / Re: Private Baptism for illegitimate child?
« on: Sunday 23 June 13 02:48 BST (UK)  »
I've ordered a copy of the birth certificate on the off-chance that these are my relatives, although there's nothing in the family "oral tradition" (which admittedly is vague) about the child in question having died in infancy.

Any other tips as to how one might go about tracking down an illegitimate birth if you only know the mother's name and approximate date and place of birth? I understand the child was usually registered under the mother's surname  - which in this case is a very common name, unfortunately.

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Dwyer/Dyer children
« on: Thursday 20 June 13 00:32 BST (UK)  »
As the marriage wasn't until 1890 was Montague Esther's maiden name or previous marriage

just wonder because of this birth in1888
1888/945 Montague  John  parents: Ether and John

I now have the birth certificate for this John MONTAGUE. Mother's maiden name is given as Ether WOOD, age 26, born Woolwich (c. 1862). So, not the same Esther MONTAGUE (born c. 1869) who married Frederick Henry DYER in 1890. This still leaves us with a missing birth record for John DYER (1889?-1954), which again leads me to wonder if he may have been adopted.

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Lancashire / Re: Private Baptism for illegitimate child?
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 15:56 BST (UK)  »
The fact that there is no father named on the baptism record does seem to suggest that the child may have been illegitimate though. I guess I'd have to order the birth/death certificate to confirm that.

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Lancashire / Re: Private Baptism for illegitimate child?
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 09:48 BST (UK)  »
Hmm, well, according to this online calculator 11 August 1908 fell on a Tuesday.

This is not necessarily meaningful because on the same register page there are other "regular" (non-private; both parents named) baptisms that did not take place on a Sunday either.

By way of comparison, there is only one other baptism on the same page that doesn't name a father. That was not a private baptism either, and it *did* take place on a Sunday.

So, I'm not seeing any pattern here.

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Lancashire / Private Baptism for illegitimate child?
« on: Wednesday 19 June 13 09:12 BST (UK)  »
I am fumbling around looking for the illegitimate son of one Sarah Ann LEWIS who was born in Lancashire in the early 1900s. I don't know what the child's name was, but I have found a possible match in a child named Rowland (variously spelled "Roland") Brian LEWIS, born and died 1908 in Rochdale, Lancashire: http://tinyurl.com/krsbtkp

I have a copy of his baptism record: Chapelry District of St Mary's, Wardleworth, Rochdale, Lancaster, 1908 which reads as follows:

[Illegible month in left margin: possibly "July" or "Aug" 3, 1908 - presumably the date of birth.]
DATE OF BAPTISM: Aug 11, 1908.
NAME: Rowland Brian.
MOTHER: Sarah Ann.
SURNAME: Lewis.
ADDRESS: 25 Whitworth Road.
OCCUPATION: Weaver.
CEREMONY PERFORMED BY: A. Clayton.
[Note in right margin:] "PRIVATE"

It is noteworthy that there is no father named, unlike most of the other baptisms on the same register page, and that this was a Private Baptism.

I understand a private baptism was sometimes done if the child was not expected to live - and indeed this unfortunate child did die shortly afterwards.

I am also wondering if private baptisms were common in the case of illegitimate births, when the mother may have been unwilling or unable to take the baby to be baptised in church?

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