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World War One / Re: WWI newspapers
« on: Saturday 17 April 21 15:40 BST (UK)  »
Hello lemw,

I think this is the article you are looking at. It is from the Northampton Independent of 26-6-1915:




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World War One / Re: Samuel Elijah Prestidge, Northamptonshire Regiment, regimental no.20864
« on: Sunday 08 May 16 20:42 BST (UK)  »
Based on his number his date of enlistment would have been 12 October 1915. I would probably expect him to have been sent to the Western Front in March or April 1916.


Steve.

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Armed Forces / Re: Is this in your book ? norfolk/what's the uniform please
« on: Saturday 31 October 15 18:44 GMT (UK)  »
Arthur Wymer would have enlisted about February 1915 and served in the 2/6th (Clyclist) Battalion of the Norfolk Regiment until transferred for overseas service amongst a group of men  in mid-1916. Most men of this group had not signed the Imperial Service Obligation volunteering for service overseas, but Arthur Wymer obviously had because he is wearing the ISO badge on his uniform in the photo. He would have been part of a group of 2/6th Norfolks transferred to the Northamptonshire Regiment in the summer of 1916 following casualties taken on the Somme. The group embarked to France via Folkestone/Boulogne on 30 July 1916 being transferred for records purposes to the 1/1 Hertfordshire Regiment. On arrival each became entitled to the British War Medal and Victory Medal. They arrived at No. 17 Infantry Base Depot at Etaples on 31 July 1916. They were posted to 1st Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment on 23 August 1916. They were then permanently transferred to the 4th Reserve Battalion, Northamptonshire Regiment on 1 September 1916 and renumbered (Arthur Wymer getting his 43447 number at that point), and posted to 1st Battalion for active service in the trenches.

Arthur Wymer was killed at High Wood during an attempt to seize the German held half of High Wood on 9 September 1916. The British blew an underground mine under the German lines (the second in the same location) and rushed forward to attack the disoriented German defenders. They were not able to get enough men up in the tangle of the wood to hold on to the trenches and were pushed back. High Wood was finally taken in full on the 15 September 1916.



Steve.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Fred Gates, Raunds
« on: Tuesday 02 June 15 21:58 BST (UK)  »
Military Records for men who served after 1921 are still subject to Privacy (rather than Secrecy), so are only fully available to either the man (or his widow) or else the next of kin - children, granchildren etc. You can obtain copies of records from the MOD Archives. See:


https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/overview

https://www.gov.uk/requests-for-personal-data-and-service-records


In general, records for men who served in WW1 (but not later) are generally available, but very fragmented (if they exist at all), and those for after WW1 exist but availability is restricted.



Steve.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Fred Gates, Raunds
« on: Tuesday 02 June 15 19:18 BST (UK)  »
This link may be of interest:

http://www.stanwickwarmemorial.co.uk/72.html

Bottom of the page, dated 26 Jan 1917.


The newspaper article refers to "Gunner Fred Gates" - Gunner is usually associated with the Artillery, and occasionally with the Machine Gun Corps. This also suggests that he was serving at the time of his marriage and that his marriage certificate could give further information on his military status.


The death of Lily's brother Horace is noted here:

http://www.stanwickwarmemorial.co.uk/63.html



The Stanwick website may well be a good place for you to contact.


Steve.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Fred Gates, Raunds
« on: Tuesday 02 June 15 18:51 BST (UK)  »
The absent voters list shows Frederick Thomas Gates of West End, Stanwick as a Private in the "1st H.L.I.". Normally this would be interpreted as the 1st Battalion Highland Light Infantry (an infantry unit on the Western Front during 1915 and later in Mesopotamia).

However, there is no medal card for Frederick Gates under that number - which would mean that either the card is lost, he didn't serve overseas or that he was transferred to a different Regiment before serving overseas.


Steve.


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Fred Gates, Raunds
« on: Tuesday 02 June 15 13:49 BST (UK)  »
I think the Fred Gates who died in 1946 , aged 61 is actually a third Fred Gates (from Hargrave, born about 1885)!


Frederick Thomas Gates died in 1962, I believe, age 69/70.


Steve.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Fred Gates, Raunds
« on: Monday 01 June 15 19:42 BST (UK)  »
I was basing my previous answer on the other Forum:


Quote
I think this is a different Fred Gates - "yours" is, I believe, Frederick Thomas Gates, born 1892 at Stanwick, son of Owen Thomas and Mary Ann Gates. The Fred Gates we have been looking at was Fred Gates (no middle name and Fred rather than Frederick) born in 1882 at Raunds. So, same name and born within half a mile of each other, but I think they were different people. The details we know of the Fred Gates in the Northamptonshire Regiment with number 16972 fit with the Raunds Fred Gates rather than the Stanwick Frederick Gates, as far as I can see.


on the fact that Lily Warner married a Frederick T Gates in 1917:


Name: Frederick T Gates
Spouse Surname: Warner
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1917
Registration district: Thrapston
Inferred County:   Northamptonshire
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 341


The Fred Gates we have been discussing above and on the GWF does not seem to have had a middle name, nor been anything other than "Fred"


There is a very similar family to the one we have discussed above who lived in neighbouring Stanwick - this family also had a Frederick, a Walter and an Ernest (Ernest Owen Gates' service records are online).


This is that "Other" family I refer to:


Frederick Thomas Gates 1892 - 1962

Parents:

Owen Henry Gates 1876 – 1968
Mary Ann Barker 1868 – 1942

Siblings:

Ernest Owen Gates 1891 – 1970
Herbert Sidney Gates 1894 – 1895
William Arthur Gates 1896 – 1972
Beatrice E P Gates 1900 – 1916
Walter Jim Gates 1903 – 1988
Bertha Lillian Gates 1904 –
Mary Gates 1909 –
William Henry Gates 1910 – 1995


There are two very similar family trees on Ancestry that show the above family members and associate then with the Frederick T Gates who married Lily Warner.



Steve.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Fred Gates, Raunds
« on: Monday 01 June 15 19:02 BST (UK)  »
I think we are all confused!   ???


Can you tell us what you do know for certain about Fred and his family? Family members, dates, etc? Do you have birth and marriage certificates and the like?



Steve.

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