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Lancashire / Re: Manchester Workhouse - records?
« on: Friday 20 June 25 08:00 BST (UK)  »
Good morning everyone.
I'm still searching for my gran Eveline.
Recently I have been told my gran was born in either 1905 or 1906.
It's very confusing of where she was born I have a family member who says the one's who adopted my gran went to live in Scotland as family members were living there. They took my gran with them.
The confusing part is was she born in Manchester and moved to Scotland or visa versa.

Recently it's been mentioned that Annie ( who is down as adopted my gran Eveline with her husband David joesph Schulman)

She could be my grans biogical mother. And my gran Eveline was born either 1905 or 1906.

I wrote a letter to Scotland over a week ago and I received a letter back yesterday.

Saying they are unable to find any record of my grandmother

This could be because we only hold adoption records here at the NRS  from 1930

It goes on to say if you need any further assistance there are many firms and individuals known as record agents or professionals who can under take family research on your behalf.  WWW.asgra.co.uk.

 So I've been thinking about something.
If my gran Eveline was born in Manchester 1906 or 1905. It's possible that she was in a work house
Apparently Annie was married before she married David joesph Schulman. Her marriage name was Annie o'prey.
She did have children. But when she married David she was a widow.

So now I'm trying to find out where Annie was living before 1905.

I know she married David joesph Schulman in 1908 in Edinburgh.
Annie's birth name is Annie obrien.

So because of all the confusion.
I thought I would ask for help.
I've asked for help in the past about my gran Eveline. But something has given me an thought.
Please if anyone can help me with anything at all.
I would appreciate it.

Just in case you need it.
I've always known my gran Eveline was born 26th of February 1911. I didn't know where until a few years ago. From what I can understand she was born in Aberdeen. According to the Scottish census for 1911.
On the census it says Eva Barrett adopted daughter of David joesph Schulman and Annie. At school age 5. .

Eva Barrett was David's baby sister who passed away around 1897 she was a year old. Her mum dinah died the year before.

If anyone can help me with anything. I really would appreciate it.
Thank you for your help and your time

Kind regards
Dorothy


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Family History Beginners Board / Can anyone please help me with something
« on: Thursday 29 May 25 07:06 BST (UK)  »
Good morning everyone.
I'm not sure how if possible if anyone can help me with something I'm trying to find.
As you know I've been doing my family research for a while now quite a few years ago I was kindly sent a 1911 Scottish census. In the Cencus it has my grans name down as Eva Barrett and her adopted parents David joesph Schulman and his wife Annie.
Apparently my gran Eveline was born in Aberdeen  we knew apparently her birthday is 26th February 1911.
But recently I have been told /it's been suggested that she could have been born either 1905 or 1906

I have a great aunt who has told me what she was told but could be rumour.
My gran was left on the door step of Annie and her 1st husbands  they both took her in.   So I questioned myself. If this is true. How would they know my grans birthday. Unless Annie is the biological mother of my gran. I'm only thinking about it.

So I thought if only I could find out 2 addresses for each.
The address of where Annie and David was living. And the address of where Annie and her 1st husband was living before either they split up or when Annie's 1st husband passed away.

I came up with the idea last night. It's been bothering me all night.
So I thought why not ask for help by the ones who know what they are doing.
Maybe  I will get the addresses maybe not.
But at least I would know.

So I'm hoping if at all possible if someone can help me. I don't know where to start with this.
Thank you all again for your help and your time. I really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Dorothy

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Please can anyone help me with something new
« on: Monday 05 May 25 06:28 BST (UK)  »
I'm really confused now. And mixed up.
My great grandfathers name is Samuel Benjamin Cooper. He was born around 1870 - 71. His father's name was John if I remember correctly. I think they are from Manchester.. My great grandparents are Samuel Benjamin Cooper and isabella Cooper formerly povey.

This part I'm confused about and mixed up with.
At 1st I was told via Facebook. From a family member  who won't help with with anything he claims to know.
He originally told me that the ancestors we have the whole family died  and I asked him who they were. All he's given me is Samuel Cooper and Hannah. He hasn't told me at the beginning Hannahs maiden name. So I had to ask for help from a really kind lady  who I think is on this group.

My brother later on told me after I said I know Hannahs surname. He said I was wrong. It's not Pearson it's Bentley.

So now I'm really confused.
Was Hannah /Anna called Bentley or Pearson. I only know she was born 1820 /21    I don't know anything else about her.

I just want to know who they all were and what happened to the whole family.

Sometimes I really get mixed up with everything. And I forget.  Which makes it difficult for me to understand things.
This is one of the reasons my brother said hes not going through it over again with me. And he's refusing to tell me what he's found out. He knows I'm trying to find out the same thing as he is.
To be honest I think he's being cruel like he's always has been.

Please can anyone help me

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Family History Beginners Board / Please can anyone help me with something new
« on: Saturday 03 May 25 20:48 BST (UK)  »
Hello again everyone.
I'm not sure what part of the forum to ask for help with.
As everyone knows that I have been looking for my great grandfather Samuel Benjamin Cooper.
Well recently I've had a few comments on Facebook group about a post I did on angel meadow manchester slums
I. Wasn't expecting anything about what im
About to ask.
My brother is one of people who commented on my pictures.
It was only then I found out according to him. We have ancestors connected to angel meadow manchester slums.
So I asked him who they were.
He said the hole family died and he told me who 2 of them were.
Samuel Cooper and Hannah. He didn't say what Hannahs maiden name is.
But a very kind lady who has been helping me over the years. Found me some cencus. One was the 1851 census and the 1861 census.
On both of them Hannahs names are different. 1961 census says Anna and she's a widow. 1851 she's Hannah.
Hannah is now Hannah Pearson born in 1820. Samuel Cooper is born 1818.
So what I did was tell my brother that Hannah is called Hannah Pearson. He said its wrong it's Hannah Bentley.

So I asked him again about what happened to our ancestors. Apparently Hannah and Samuel had a few children one is called John. According to my brother John is my great grandfather Samuel Benjamin Coopers uncle.

But he still hasn't told me anything else about my ancestors. All he has said is. He's not going through it again. And I'm to get my helpers as he's doing his own research.
To be honest I don't think any of what he's told me is true. That's why he won't tell me anything.
Apparently there address was 4 walkers croft. But I've recently been told it's 4 walkers court Manchester. I think it's classed as Angel meadow.
For the last few days I've been trying to find out about my ancestors. Who they were and what happened to them. Did they all die at once or separately. By the sounds of the 1861 census Hannah /Anna survived. But I don't know anything else.
My brother just refuses to help me on what he says he knows. He won't even answer any comments I make.

So I thought I would ask the ones who have been very helpful to me over the past few years.
I. Just hope I can find out.
It's driving me daft not being able to get any answers from my brother.
Please can anyone help me with this.
I really appreciate any help.
Thank you all again for your help and your time.
Kind regards
Dorothy

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World War One / Can anyone please help me with something
« on: Friday 11 April 25 22:45 BST (UK)  »
Hello again everyone. I'm having trouble with something. I'm a member of a group on Facebook it's called Manchester military 1914 - 1918. I asked a question about something to do with the difference between the 13th btn Manchester and the 18th btn Manchester Regiment.
All I got was someone trying to be clever making me feel like I don't know any.
So I googled it. And found out something.
So I posted it on the group.
Then I got asked where did I get my source from as what I posted was wrong.
And could I put a link so they can tell me.
 I've been trying to find the link but I can't find it.

So I thought I know who can help me.
The ones who I trust.

My original search was trying to find out
Where my 2 great uncles started off before they went off to fight.
I was also told that my great uncle Thomas Coopers regiment was the 18th btn Manchester Regiment and not the 13th as it was on a page.

Please if anyone can help me with anything at all. I really would a it.
It's just that I'm being told so many different things in comments on the group.
And I'm being told I'm wrong. Even if I googled it to find out what I'm trying to find. Please can anyone help me?
Thank you all again for your help and your time.
Kind regards
Dorothy

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: My gran Mary Ann Cooper
« on: Friday 22 November 24 05:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hi again. I'm sorry about this but I don't know where to post this.
As everyone knows Mary Ann Cooper marred William Young in 1916.

Ive been looking through my files from years ago. Which I was sent.
But I honestly don't know which William Young has any connections with my gran Mary Ann Cooper.

Please can anyone help solve which one.
If at all possible.

Ive had to copy and paste it from the original from my email address.

Thank you all again.


   William Young
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975   birth:   2 June 1891   
christening:   26 July 1891   Manchester, Lancashire, England
residence:   1891   Manchester, Lancashire, England
   father:   William Young
mother:   Sarah Young
   
      

Gender:   Male
Christening Date:   26 Jul 1891
Christening Place:   Manchester, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:   02 Jun 1891
Father's Name:   William Young

Mother's Name:   Sarah Young


Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00771-1 , System Origin: England-EASy , GS Film number: 438183 , Reference ID: yr 1891 p 244

~~~~~~~~---------------------------------------------------
William Young
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975   birth:   12 July 1888   
christening:   13 August 1888   Manchester, Lancashire, England
   father:   Alfred Young
mother:   Hannah Young
   
   


Name:   William Young
Gender:   Male
Christening Date:   13 Aug 1888
Christening Place:   Manchester, Lancashire, England
Birth Date:   12 Jul 1888
Father's Name:   Alfred Young

Mother's Name:   Hannah Young


Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C00771-0 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 438183



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Family History Beginners Board / Re: My gran Mary Ann Cooper
« on: Friday 22 November 24 05:02 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for your help.
Now I can understand why there isn't a marriage between my gran Mary Ann Cooper and Robert Turner.
As I've mentioned earlier.
My dad's father is unknown. And so is his brother William coopers father.
It's a bit confusing as my gran Mary Ann Cooper had a brother called William. But he died in ww1 maybe she called my uncle William after her brother. ( my great uncle William)

I believe that my gran Mary Ann Cooper did marry Richard seddon. And has 3 children. 2 girls and 1 son.
I can't remember the sons name.
But the girls are agnus and Alice

I remember when I was a teenager my dad said we have a relative called Alice Cooper. I thought he meant the singer.
He probably meant his mums daughter . I think it would be his half sister.

Which is very confusing.
My Gran Mary Ann.
Having children to different men.
2 of them we don't know the father's name but apparently are brothers. Then there is John turner. His father is Robert Turner.

Mary married William Young. 1916. He passed away a year later. No children.
Then Mary married Richard seddon. And had 3 children.

So I'm thinking they are all my dad's half siblings except for William Cooper ( my uncle)

Thank you again everyone for helping.
I don't know how you all manage this.
I never know where to start. So I ask for help if I can't find what I'm looking for.

Thank you for your help.
Kind regards
Dorothy

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: My gran Mary Ann Cooper
« on: Monday 18 November 24 09:38 GMT (UK)  »
I'm really sorry about the confusion.
Mary Ann Cooper was my gran.
She had 3 son's before she married Richard seddon.
My dad Vincent and his brother William. There fathers are not known.
But John's father is Robert Turner..

My Gran married William Young. 1916.
But he passed away a year later.
From what I can understand from my late half sister.
Mary Ann had taken John with her when she was married to William Young.
After Mr Young passed away. Mary went back home to her parents.

Then she met Richard seddon. Married him and had 3 children. 2 girls and a boy.
I've always thought she had 2 girls.
But I found through my emails from my late half sister. My gran Mary had a son also

I hope this helps with the confusion.
I'm really sorry about that.

Thank you all for your help again.
Kind regards
Dorothy

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Family History Beginners Board / My gran Mary Ann Cooper
« on: Sunday 17 November 24 06:51 GMT (UK)  »
Good morning everyone.
I'm not sure if I have already ask this before. If I have I apologise.
I'm trying to find out if there is a marriage certificate for my gran Mary Ann Cooper.
She was married twice. And possibly a 3rd time.
I know she was married to William Young in 1916. And she married Richard seddon.

But in the middle of the 2 marriage.
Apparently she married Robert Turner.
She had son called John to Robert.
From what I can understand she wasn't with Robert Turner long she went back home to her mother and father.
Who are Samuel Benjamin Cooper and isabella.
My Gran Mary Ann. Had 3 son's and 2 daughters.
The daughters are Richard seddon.
They were born around the 30s I think.
Her sons are Vincent Cooper  born 1910.
John turner born 1913.
And William cooper born 1915.
From what I can understand from my late half sister Margaret. Mary Ann had John turner with her when she was married to William Young..
Then she went back home. After he passed away taking her son John with her.
She married Richard seddon some time later.
So I'm trying to find out if there is a marriage certificate for my gran Mary Ann to Robert Turner.
My late sister Margaret couldn't find one.
Please if anyone can help me with this.
I would really appreciate it.

Thank you all for your help

Kind regards
Dorothy

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