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United States of America / Re: New York Probate Records at Family Search
« on: Tuesday 08 October 13 15:42 BST (UK)  »
I emailed you some more information on Surrogate's court.  As we get closer to the 16th, and I see how the weather will be, and depending on whether I get called into work, I will let you know the day I am going and the result, such as how long I can expect to wait until the file is returned from storage.

I only had one question and that was if Hannah used Ames-O'Neil or O'Neil -- if you know?

barb 

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United States of America / Re: New York Probate Records at Family Search
« on: Saturday 28 September 13 19:59 BST (UK)  »
I'm back under my correct account.

A thought -- the sisters in NYC, though qualified, might not have ever had a chance of being appointed.  This might have been viewed as a "man's job" in what was a "man's world."   Remember we are talking about a time when women did not even have the right to vote.  The judges would have all been men and so on.

I know it's sexist -- but it is the way it was back then.  Institututional sexism.  A woman could be named in the Will as Executrix, but I don't know if, when the mother declined, whether the judge would have chosen one of the sisters.  In any case, the Ohio brother might have been named as co-executor or secondary Executor already in the Will when drawn, and the remaining 6 siblings had no chance of being appointed.   That leaves you with a rift that might have been between the brother in Ohio and the 3 remaining brothers.  If the rift was over the use of the estate after it was dissolved, well I can give you examples of how one gets around it so it is quite possible your relative opened a business in Ohio.   He dissolves the estate and files papers that he did what was followed in the will.  It's up to the heirs to ask for an accounting or go to Surrogate's court to see his final filing, especially if they have seen the will and know this or that was NOT done, and whether he did what is in Will.  Instead, he sets up a Trust in the name of "The Estate of Felix O'Neil, and a bank account with that name, using the sold assets, but he is the only signatory on the Trust and the only one who could draw on the bank account.

Today, people would be running to Surrogate's Court to see the filings to see that a Will was exactly carried out if they had any reason to believe they were an heir and the Will was not carried out. 

We have time.  PDF me what you have because if I can get down to Surrogate's on Mary Ann, might as well do the others.   I have DOD, liber and page on Mary Ann.   I can go October 16th and after to Surrogate's Court -- assuming they are all Manhattan, New York County, residents.  Send me what you have that will help and I will see what I can do. 

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Tuesday 09 July 13 05:42 BST (UK)  »
First update:

Cemeteries are not required to keep the death certificate --  have not found out where that goes.  What they must have is a burial permit that records that they can (and do) bury the person on that date and they must see the deed.  That might not give death certificate # but this is something I need to take up with Calvary.  This, according to Jim, my friend.

The Liquidation Beaureau handles businesses, mostly insurance companies, that have gone out of business and there are still people with insurance that has been paid for and must be honored.  These are insurance companies that wind up in receivership.  I have to read your post again, but I am at a loss to explain why the geneaolgy site gives the Liquidation Bureau one set of responsibilities when it clearly states that they handle defunct insurance companies on the site.  Another thing to ponder.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Tuesday 09 July 13 04:40 BST (UK)  »
Also wondering if the paperwork wound up as Neil or Neill.  That would be significant.

And I saw something I missed in your previous posts.  Yes, Ravenswood, Long Island is NYC.  Queens County (1 of the 5 boroughs of NYC) always listed themselves by neighborhood, and still does.   Ravenswood was a part of Long Island City and encompassed Long Island City (the neighborhood), Ravenswood, Astoria, Hell's Gate, Sunnyside, Hallet's Cove, Newtown and any number of ever evolving names. 

So, we are still looking in NYC because it's just a neighborhood name for Queens County, with Long Island City being the postal name, and was at least in use in 1870, if not before, and those neighborhoods are incorporated into Long Island City, including Ravenwood being one of them.   By the way, though Calvary is near me (about 8 blocks) that "neighborhood" concept called Ravenswood is fairly close to here.  It's now absorbed by Astoria (Long Island City), though some buildings are still named after the old Ravenswood name. 

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Tuesday 09 July 13 04:18 BST (UK)  »
No problem Michael.  There's a lot of information that is helpful. 

1.  I am going to ask my more knowledgeable friend about the Liquidation Bureau.  Just from the sound of it, it must have changed it's name over time.  If so, my friend, Jim, might also know what this agency is and what it is called now.

2.  I know there has to be a record, but encountered this even in Washington, D.C. cemeteries when researching.  They told me the "might have a death cert." and, of course, they did.  Why they are not required to keep them, I will have to try and research this and ask my friend, Jim.

3.  It's cooling off, so I will still try and give the office at Calvary a try -- with the information you have provided about burial permits and transit permits because this I did not know.  Jim might also know more about this, so I will check with him. 

Don't forget to give me a nudge after awhile (below) -- Jim sometimes has too many and forgets but sometimes he gets right on it.  He does this alot -- some kind of historian.   But, since I'm not asking him to go out again -- I will do the Calvary visit -- he might be able to provide some clues on this Liquidation Bureau and on how long a cemetery keeps a death cert.  It really is unbelievable to have a burial and no certificate -- no matter how much time has passed.  Besides, Calvary is on microfilm so it's not like there's some tremendous file to keep on O'Neil family plot(s).

I take these on one at a time so it's not a bother; right now you are the only one on my open items for the UK. 

One final thought; it occurs to me that even with Jim going down her name could have been entirely wrong.  She could have been listed as Oneil or Oneill.   It's quite a difference in an on line search to use the apostrophe or not.   Though Jim could catch that, I'm not sure that the last name is misrecorded causing her record to be misfiled or "missing." 

bcarpenter@nyc.rr.com    (give me 2 weeks on this).   

If you don't hear, be sure and contact me.  Seriously.  Like Jim, I tend to get off on tangents, even when I have only one thing outstanding -- other than my own research so I won't be bothered by a reminder. 

Regards,

barbara


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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Saturday 06 July 13 21:10 BST (UK)  »
Have not forgotten about your request.  But my friend did.  He got back to me the other day.  No luck on Mary Ann O'Neil or Mary O'Neil and he checked all of June of that year.  He insists she died outside the 5 boroughs here that comprise NYC because there just was no death certificate.  I have not had a chance to go back to Calvary -- now that it stopped raining it is 95 degrees F here every single day.   At some point, I will go to the office and see if I can find someone who will really look up what they have.  But not every cemetery keeps the death certificate -- that much I do know to be true.  Why that is, I don't know.  Seems they need some proof of who is going into the ground.  Feel free to give me a nudge.  Barb.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Friday 14 June 13 17:15 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: shellyesq on Friday 14 June 13 16:41 BST (UK)
Regarding the unyg.com post - if you scroll down, the e-mail for the library is right on the blog post.  An e-mail can be sent the library with a look-up request with the available information.  At any rate, it sounds like New York City is the more likely location, so this may be besides the point.

Thanks, it coud be useful for another time so I wanted to understand it.  I thought they had an on line lookup.  This link appears broken:  http://www.onlib.org/website/LH/lh.htm

And I thought that was a blog post.  Thank you.

It seems that my best shot is to go down to Calvary and hope to get someone who is helpful.   Not always the case with Calvary.

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Friday 14 June 13 16:37 BST (UK)  »
Michael:  I will go to Calvary next week and pretend I don't know her burial site, ask for a look up and then ask them what else they have -- like death cert #.  I cannot believe they buried bodies with no death cert or even a death cert. #.   I have another to have them look up anyway so I can try both at the same time.

barb

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Calvary Cemetery Lookup
« on: Friday 14 June 13 16:24 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: shellyesq on Thursday 13 June 13 21:56 BST (UK)
Regarding a death in New York state, I was reminded of one of my experiences.  I requested a death certificate from the state with a rather rough estimate of the death date and, months later, heard back that nothing was found.  Some time after that, I found this man's obituary, which indicated that he did die in New York state during the time frame I suspected.  I requested a look-up in the death index, as described here - http://www.unyg.com/blog/index.php/2008/03/new-york-state-vital-records-microfiche-indexes-update/ 

Lo and behold, the kind librarian did find him in the death index.  I have yet to spend the money on ordering the certificate, but at least this seems to verify that my information is correct and either someone did a poor job looking for him or his certificate isn't where it should have been.

So, that might be another angle to try.

I tried the site but did not understand it.  They say they have on line look up but nowhere could I find where one can do on line lookups -- then they say it's on microfiche so that precludes on line lookups -- and the one link to the library is broken.  Confusing. 

Do you look it up or do you put in a request?  By county?  Would he have had to write to each county, assuming it was NYS (we do know it was Manhattan).   I could not navigate the site.

I may try the 518 number, however that is NYS without NYC included and he knows she was in New York County -- Manhattan.  It's a puzzle why no one can find this death certificate.  Maybe my best bet is to really just go to Calvary and ask them to look her up, though we know where she is buried.  The last person would not look up anything for me.

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