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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Sunday 16 June 13 09:34 BST (UK)  »
Hi Worldly Wanderer,
It may very well imply that she had one Scottish parent and one Irish parent, I had not considered this.  However Lillian clearly stated that her Grandmother was born in Gilberton.  She was also more than a mere lassie writing about her granny.  Lillian was very well educated and an artist of some renown back then.  She also ended up living in Scotland and eventually England in her last years.

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Sunday 16 June 13 01:16 BST (UK)  »
Since my last port it has come to light that Elizabeth Ewings has two possible immigration sources:
1. Eliza Ewing aged 15 arrived 11th January 1850 at Geelong on the ship "Diadem";
2. Elizabeth Ewens aged 18, arrived 20 September 1853 on the ship "Australia".  Nationality Irish and Scottish.
Her Granddaughter Lillian wrote an Autobiography, which states “It was my grandmother who brought us into the world. No doctor attended the birth of the Pentlands. My grandmother was a fully trained nurse, born at Gilmerton, a village near Swanston at the foot of the Pentland Hills, Scotland.”
These facts have now cleared up a confusion.
Eliza was widely known as the Midwife of the family and if the second immigration record is the right one, she may have lived in Ireland (as a house maid), but she was born in Scotland!  Not quite the Pentland link between Ireland and Scotland, but a key piece of information about our line.

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Thursday 06 June 13 05:25 BST (UK)  »
William emigrated in 1852, a year before his bride. Is it known whcih ships they travelled on and if not where were the years of their emigration found?

About twelve months ago you asked this question.  I can tell you that William arrived at Point Henry, Geelong (a mere 3km from where I now live) on the ship "Cambodia" on the 31st March 1852.  This is verified in the Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923.  Elizabeth (Eliza) Ewings arrived 12th January 1850 at Geelong on the ship Diadem, aged 15.  It is highly likely that she came as the result of the Great Famine as there were more than 4,000 girls aged between 14 and 18 who immigrated to Australia.  This particular ship carried made two voyages arriving 13 October 1849 and 10 January 1850.  This can be verified on the following web page:

http://www.familytreecircles.com/famine-orphan-girls-ships-to-australia-from-ireland-37811.html

To Kiap, Roxanna and Garden Boffin (and perhaps others): we are clearly researching the very same family and are no doubt related.  I would be very keen to share information and find out just where each of us fits into the same family tree.
Regards
Roy Pentland

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The Common Room / Re: What Country is your research ?
« on: Tuesday 30 April 13 12:59 BST (UK)  »
My direct heritage is the Netherlands and I am not that sure that any of my ancestors emigrated to the USA.  However there is so much Dutch/US link it is hard to isolate it.  Then again my wife is American so we are researching there too.  Then there is my Step Father's family who originate in Ireland (and probably Scotland earlier).  Living in Australia also means we are researching here too.  We get to research on 3 continents and since all of our ancestors appeared to be fine breeders, there is much to do!
Regards
Roy Pentland (nee Boer)

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Tuesday 30 April 13 12:11 BST (UK)  »
We are getting the two arms of the Pentland family in Australia mixed up here.  Colin was the cousin of the three brothers who emigrated from Scotland and not related to my ancestor George who came from Ireland.  George Pentland (from Ireland) has a Death Certificate here that confirms he was from Armagh, Ireland and his father was Richard Pentland. I can email information if you wish.  My email address is (*)
Send me an email and I will collate all I know about both Pentland families from Gippsland Victoria, Australia.
Alternatively you may be able to view my family tree with the following link (if it works):
http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/44115455/family?cfpid=6162874875
By starting with my Step Father, Richard John Pentland, you can work back to Richard Pentland from Annagh.  There is considerable evidence along the way.

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Monday 29 April 13 22:58 BST (UK)  »
I have information here that the Breadalbane Campbell daughter was Louisa M. Campbell.  This line of the Pentland family came to Victoria from Perthshire, Scotland about 1863 to 1866 and appear to have gone straight to Walhalla (gold rush town at that time) and Thomas Campbell Pentland married Jeannie Sinclair Lang (born 5/11/1868 in Walhalla, Victoria, Australia).  Jeannie's parents were Alexander Lang (born about 1838 in Glasgow, Scotland) and Mary Sinclair (also born about 1838 in Glasgow, Scotland).

Our first Australian ancestor arrived from Ireland (William Pentland 2 June 1829- 28 March 1900) in Geelong on 30 March 1852.  It was not until November 1872 that he moved his family to a pioneering area called Loy Yang (near Traralgon, Victoria) which is a mere 50km from Walhalla.

My interest in this line of the Pentland's is that my paternal Grandmother's maiden name was Lang and there is an old family story about an ancestor running a boarding house (or Inn or hotel) in Walhalla.  That building still exists and is now a private residence, but I do remember going inside it when I was quite young (about 8 or 10) when it was disused.  Maybe there is a link between the two families there?

As for George E Pentland's book, I have since noticed that there are discrepancies, but it is still a clever attempt.  But since that line of the Pentland family seems to be very distant from mine I have no need for any of its information at this time.

The Irish link of my line stops at Richard Pentland (about 1795 to 1880) who married Mary Ann David about 1828.  It appears they resided in the village of Annagh in the Parish of Drumcree but page 154 of the Griffith's Evaluation does not indicate a date.  There may be a link to George, Hohn and Deborah Pentland who resided in Drumnakelly and owned House, office and land.  I will explore this possibility as it is indicated that our emigrating George was born in Drumnakelly.

After reading much I realise now that the term "clan" is not applicable, and I too would be very keen to amalgamate the research into one tree (eventually).

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Armagh / Re: Pentland - Uprichard, Gibson, Morrow. Ballyworkan.
« on: Saturday 27 April 13 23:12 BST (UK)  »
Hi everyone,
I have a definite connection to the Pentland's of Armagh.  William Pentland c. 1829 is the ancestor of my step father, Richard John Pentland (William is his GG Grandfather).  I started researching the family after meeting another Pentland who lives in Launceston, Tasmania.  His ancestors cam from Perthsire, Scotland and emigrated to Australia in the mid 1860's and settled in Walhalla, Gippsland, Victoria, where gold was first discovered in 1863.  Three brothers George Pentland, Thomas Campbell Pentland and William Christie Pentland (and probably a cousin Colin Campbell Pentland) started this line of Australian Pentland's.

After reviewing this family's history with Mr Pentland in Launceston, I was sure we were related as my ancestor, William Pentland also settled in the same region (Traralgon, Victoria), just 45km south east of Walhalla.

As it turns out, the only way Mr Pentland (Launceston) and myself could be related is from two sources:
1. By researching way back to find the link between Perthshire Scotland Pentland's and the Armagh, Ireland Pentland's; or
2. By finding a link between my Grandmother (Dorothy Edith Lang 1895-1953) and Mr Pentland's Walhalla ancestors (Jeannie Sinclair Lang 1868-?).  Jeannie married Thomas C Pentland, both of whom were born in Walhalla.

I recall a family story about a relative who owned an Inn (or perhaps a boarding house) in Walhalla.  This house still remains today and is now a private residence.

Whilst my Family Tree was actually begun to research the Pentland family, it has also grown to include my relatives from my dutch parents from the Netherlands and relatives from my wife's American family.  Consequently the tree is enormous!

I would be very interested in participating in the research of the Pentland family in Ireland and a possible link back to Perthshire. 

I have quite strong evidence that the microfilm of the 1851 census from Perthshire indicates that a widow, Janet Pentland, aged 45 at the time, resided at Balhousie Farm  Her parents were David Christie Pentland and Agnes ne Robertson.

I have also located an incredible account by George E Pentland from Hanover, Ontario, Canada, written April 11th 1948.  It is an account of the descendants of Alexander Pentland and Elizabeth Wilson who were married at Carrington, Scotland about 1540.

I am 55 now and very few of my stepfather's generation appear to be alive now (he and one of his sisters are).  But since there are so many of the Victorian Pentland's building family trees and much of that information is publicly available, I have collected considerable history here.

One of my step brothers travelled to Scotland to seek family history, yet it is quite clear that the known history lies in Armagh, Ireland.  If it is possible to eventually find the link it would be a wonderful topping to the tree.

I look forward to participating with the Pentland clans all over the world.

Regards
from Geelong, Victoria, Australia

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