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Tyrone / Re: Francis Mc Carney --Tyrone,Ireland
« on: Thursday 26 January 17 14:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi I have some info, but not all jointed together.So I will do it over a few postings so as not to over load the picture allowance!First I will show the oldest grave of this family group in Donacavey ,the reason for this is to try and explain where they came from?This is very much up in the air ,but the O Cairney seems to come from the Donegal area and points to Derry (this is only speculation)
This is a reply to my own speculation,maybe with more questions than answers!The MC Carney name and all variants of the spelling,have multiple origins.Possibly five different beginnings or tribal origins.The names meaning being,victorious.The name in the northwest area of Derry /Inishowen is most likely descended from the Northern O Neill with close links to St Colmcille and the Fox surname.This groups most likely Y DNA group  should be showing as a sub R1b know as R-M222?
The next group (which is more probable for me)as yet unfollowed up.This group is a sub group of the O Hanlon family group,who are part of a larger family group or tribe of people's who cover a very large area of southern Ulster and are collectively know as Oriel ( Airgíalla) again an R1b group,but not descended directly from the O Neill linage but related to it.After checking the Y DNA of family's of this group,most bearing Oriel names ,McGuire,O,Hanlon,Devine,MC Carneyetc ,etc return the bulk of individuals show R-M269, some references to the null 425?
There is a family group in Letrim and I tried to find their Y DNA group but with no luck.
The Lenister family group who are very likely again of O Neill Origin?
Some reading for anyone following very early family lines with the use of the Y marker,I would like to hear any ones views .Again this is all guess work and speculation ,but makes very interesting reading,once you get an understanding of the group and tribal areas?
http://www.mcmahonsofmonaghan.org/the_mcmahon_story.html
http://magoo.com/hugh/airghialla.html#colla
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airg%C3%ADalla
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~amaguire/oriel.htm
https://www.igenea.com/en/surname-projects/c/clan-colla-425-null-699

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Tyrone / Re: CHARLTON of Galbally, Dromore
« on: Sunday 29 November 15 22:29 GMT (UK)  »
Check this link http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2493279.  These dates are more than likely the next generation back,with th Richie Family grave showing the same town land you ask for,Charlton is not a very common name in this parish.There were RC Charltons who show up in the local RC grave yard and the RC records for the parish http://cotyroneireland.com/menus/churchrecord.html hope some of these links are of help.   http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=59&Submit.y=11&Submit=Submit&familyname=Charlton&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=TYRONE&unionname=&parishname=DROMORE

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Hi sorry can,t help with records, but the Mc Namee name at this time had  many spellings
Mc Anena,Mc Anenay,Mc Anmee Mc Mee and Conway which are some I have come across locally and there are more! It was a family name who held sway in the parish of Ardstraw Tyrone ,and is still common there, some think its from the surname Farran? and is linked to the Saint Eugene, yours Shane

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Thanks for that Heywood.

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 :) Thanks for the link,I guess that's what I am after really.On this link they mention certificate ,so maybe  I am putting two and two together and getting five?
http://www.tuamfamilyhistories.com/soldiers/wild_geese_m.htm
Are there any other sources,because going on numbers ,there should be alot more material from many sources,IE Spain France,Austria etc over two centurys?
Many thanks Shane

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Yes,but in the hospital ,it records that the solider who turned up at the door was checked by way of papers?.On the papers it stated who he served with,what campains and how long the service was,so would this have been give on release ,or was it carried by the solider in question?
PS I have looked at Irish military web sites and this stuff is very thin on the ground?
many thanks Shane

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http://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/geese.html
I am sorry if this is in the wrong place,so here goes.
I am doing research on Irish names and have come across a good few strange spellings.Possibly because of being in europe?ie Wild geese?
1/ Did all european soilders carry papers?, for ID ,medi card and dog tags(as stated, those in  recipet of help, were carring paper's stating service, ect.)
2/If they carred papers?, how did manage to keep them from damage,weather and war?
3/This is a big ask,are there any online records survieing from soilders of this time that are searchable?
Any help on this is most welcome,Shane. :-\

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Tyrone / Re: McGuire/Maguire from Tyrone to South Australia
« on: Saturday 14 December 13 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
Hard to pin point unless you know what Parish they were from.Strabane is really tricky as it is surrounded close by other parish's Urney/Donnyloop,Camus,Bodoney,s,Ardstraw,Leckpatrick and so on,also Strabane is on the boarder of Co Donegal I have found two here(Hugh),
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/127473621/1841-1851-Tyrone-Census-Fragments-_2006_
One of them is in Termonamongon about 12 miles west of Strabane in the Castlederg area aged 28 in 1841, and one aged 3 in 1851 in Camus which is the Strabane area. Also Maguire can be very tricky as I have found out because when you search there is many spelling,s of the same name ,these two are Mc Guire .
Also,but a bit of a long shot as some were carried out later than 1858, just go though every one!
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doPlaceSearch&freetext=Place+Name&countyname=TYRONE&baronyname=&unionname=&parishname=CAMUS&Submit.x=39&Submit.y=13

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