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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Tuesday 30 April 13 19:08 BST (UK)  »
Hi contacted the GRO offices today and they were very heplful .However they confirmed that Jeremiah death was not registered in 1872 so I am back to drawing board fort he time being. any one any other ideas?

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Monday 29 April 13 23:22 BST (UK)  »
Hi Xotan-
many thanks for your reply- very very interesting.Some facts that I have :
I know that my gggrandfather Jeremiah Colclough lived in no 4 Buckingham St in 1870 and 1871(Thoms Directory). He married in 1871 and then moved to 47 Hardwicke St with his wife Bridget (nee Mc Cormick - I believe originally from Co MEATH).He had one son Patrick ( my great grandfather) born 17/3/1872.Jeremiah died in June 1872 but his wife remained in Hardwicke Street till 1900.She was listed in Thoms for the period 1873 to 1900.Patrick married in 1900 my ggreat grandmother Catherine Cahill from Naas and their son John Jeremiah was born in 1902(my grandfather).
The 1901 census shows Bridget in St Monicas nursing home in Belvedere Place.She died in 1906
The census also shows John Jeremiah and new wife Catherine in Derrynane Parade.They had 8 other childern and moved house a few times (Valentia Parade -Caledon Road-Church Road- Brendans Road (that I know off) and finally back to no 42 Hardwicke St in 1920 where Patrick died from ( shortly after birth of last daughter)

From what was passed down thro family(albeit sketchy),Jeremiah had come from Cork/Kerry (and from earlier thread ,I may have found his parents in BANTRY 1829.We are told he may have had some wealth which passed to his wife when he died young.We believe he may have worked as a Land agent clerk- a caligropher  ( wasnt Patrick Shortall an builder/ architect?).Both Jeremiah and Bridget were buried in unmarked graves in Glasnevin

yes I agree with you ,it is a bit of a coincidence that 2 families were living around the same time or just after one another in the same houses .

Yes I would love for you to send a copy of your picture of 47 Hardwicke St. I have heard so much about it at this stage (can you private message it or post it here?)

I hope some of these facts can touch a cord with any of your research as our Jeremiah is a real mystery.
ie : we think he came from Cork/Kerry as Coakley - moved to Dublin as Colclough ,marries ,has a son and dies all within 12 months leaving very little info behind

many thanks again for your super post

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Friday 26 April 13 23:09 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shanew, yes managed to see Irish Times posting.Jeremiah did die at home in Dublin and very suddenly by looks of things .
So in summary I have no death registered for him but as you suggested I need to contact Gro as it may be indexed wrong.
I visited Glasnevin at weekend and enquired after the grave as hwas buriedin an unmarked grave. I was told that there were 4 others also in the grave (around same period) and 3 of them were named LYNE which ironically is same maiden name as his mother .I am now wondering if there is any connection


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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Friday 19 April 13 19:01 BST (UK)  »
@ My luck

just checked my transcript from Irish Times and it indeed does give an address of 47 Hardwicke Street but doesnt say he died there .

@Hasta .Can I ask where you viewed the actual original as would love to see it

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Friday 19 April 13 13:58 BST (UK)  »
Shanew/Myluck - thanks again -Some answers to your queries

Jeremiahs father Cornelius(Coakley) married a Johanna Lynne in Bantry ( both listed on Jeremiah marriage cert with occupatiion as Farmer)). I have a marriage from Church records in 1829 (with 9 other siblings )for Corneilius and Johanna and as I posted before ,the one I think is Jeremiah is very difficult to read from transcript.However because of the same Christain names,same mothers name and the unusual name Coakley/Colclough,I am presuming just for moment that the illegible entry is Jeremiah.So , there is a possibility that the death you found ( My luck) aged 24 could be him on a visit home (as per Shanew).I will have to check this out .I know he died in june/July(need to check my record)
@ Shanew-The newspaper article doe not mention a place of death unfortunately.

I heard from my father that Jeremiah may have been a caligrapher. The Glasnevin cementry entry lists Land Agent clerk as occupation and we heard he worked in Dublin Castle .
 His wife Bridget(nee McCormack)lived in Hardwicke Street till at least 1900 and I found another marriage for around 1897 for a Matthew Mc cormack of 47 Hardwick St .So I am guessing she had a brother who was living with her for a period .(witness was Patrick Colclough who was her son , my g grandfather).She is in 1901 census in Saint Monicas nursing Home where she died in 1906.
Patrick married in 1900 to a Catherine Cahill and one of the witnesss was a Matthew Smyth (I believe another lodger (RIC in Mountjoy)

So a lot of unanswered questions but the big ones being why name change from Coakley to Colclough in move from Bantry to Dublin.How/why and where did Jeremiah die in 1872

thanks for all your help so far

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Friday 19 April 13 12:11 BST (UK)  »
HI Shanew147

you mentioned Patrick Shortall in your post  as living at 47 hardwicke street and I checked it on the other posts in Rootschat-(very interesting).Yes it would seem that he moved into no 47 after my gggrandmother(Brigid Colclough wife of Jeremiah) moved out.
Interestingly enough their first son (Patrick Colclough born 1901) (my great grandfather moved back to Hardwicke Street no 42 in 1919/1920 where he died very young also
Wonder what the attraction of this street was ?

Another question , you may be able to throw light on
When Jeremiah died in 1872 he was listed in Thoms as living in 47 Hardwicke St. His wife is listed there for next 28 years.If she didnt work ,would they have owned the house or was it typical of the time to rent (and therefore have the have lodgers to help pay )

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Thursday 18 April 13 16:56 BST (UK)  »
Hi
Myluck - the piece in Irish Times is just a Death notice unfortunately

shanew147- thanks for that - I might try the Gro offices as this seems logical thing to do.
 There is a chance he might be listed as Coakley as that is the pronunciation of Colclough.I have not confirmed his birth cert yet but there is very strong possibility that he was born in 1845 as Coakley in Bantry with 9 siblings( I have all these details from Church records but "his" one is illegible and as the church record is off poor quality I need to make doubly sure

thanks again for help

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Thursday 18 April 13 13:31 BST (UK)  »
Hi all
thanks for your efforts so far .Just to clarify for you (so you dont have to double check some records)
His name is Jeremiah (his father is Cornelius) He lived in 47 Hardwicke Street and this is also verified in Thoms Directory. On his death cert from Glasnevin he was listed as a Land agent Clerk .I heard stories in family that this may have been in Dublin Castle and hence my interest in

a) any records from Dublin Castle - do they keep them etc etc
b) how would I found out how he died as it is not on cert in Glasnevin or Irish times listing

thanks again

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Dublin / Re: Death of Great great grandfather Dublin 1872
« on: Thursday 18 April 13 09:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shanew
yes what you have is correct.He married in Rathmines 1871 and died 1872(Glasnevin records) with one son Patrick born March 1872.
I too cannot get a date on his fathers (Cornelius) death and as posted cannot get any link to his early death.
Was also wondering how to find out any info on where he may have worked at time (Dublin Castle)

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