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Yes I would have read middle names were reserved for the middle classes in an English history book. I  don't have any primary evidence that it was law.

I believe my Irwin/Erskine family all had second names even though only two of the five children's were officially recorded. It is possible they descended from minor gentry and my two aunts dna match descendants of someone who married into the French royal family who was either Scottish or French.

I don't know if Episcopal Ministers typically only recorded one first name just that they did for this family except for the son.

Forfarian you bring up some good points. The Certificates are a lot cheaper than Australian ones even taking into a/c. conversion rates. I think that they are all sent electronically except Tasmania here.

That is interesting that Marriages tended to be performed in a home. That happened to family in Australia but is was more because some looked Aboriginal and the Priest/Minister would not marry them in the Church but would for the ones they knew were Aboriginal(they lived in a country town) but did not look like it.

I cannot find a marriage for my Jane Erskine but her husband was Irish and Episcopal with the Church not long being reestablished in Scotland where they were living in the 1820s.Also the Church records are mostly in private hands. They both died before the 1851 Census which would have given exact birth places.

The most likely parents of the Mary Erskine mentioned, Robert Erskine and Mary Leckie were married at Paisley High Church in 1820 so it may be worth buying as well. I don't know for sure that Mary and Jane are related but Jane was born in Renfrewshire and had her first known child at Port Glasgow in 1826. My Mum only has one known Scottish line and Ancestry shows that the match to Mary's descendant is on her side as do the other two relatives who match the same person.

For this period in North Cornwall, England the  witnesses were named in Church weddings pre registration so I was hoping that some areas in Scotland would do this. The dna match thinks that Mary's parents were Robert Erskine and Mary Leckie who married at Paisley high Church. The Banns for the Baillie marriage were in December 1854 so I wonder if they got married in the Church soon after and it was only registered on July 5 1855. If both of Mary's parents had died by then it may not give much detail. My Jane Irwin nee Erskine had died by 1855 so would not be a witness so that is why I am interested in the earlier Lauder marriage. I would have to pay  conversion money to pay at Scotland's people. The relative who lives in England is pretty sure Robert is the right ancestor judging by dna matches and record searches so she is going back from there and does not seem interested in buying the Baillie Marriage Certificate.

Hi Newuser,

I have a dna match who has the Lamont/Colquhuon family that is mentioned in relation to a Will that you transcribed (or his Cole family). I believe that I am linked to these lines through my ancestor Jane Irwin nee Erskine who was living in Port Glasgow c. 1826 aged about 22. Are there any Erskines mentioned in the Will of Patrick Colquhuon. or anyone with the first names Olivia, Sussannah or Cecilia?.

Regards, Linda M.