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This tree on Family Search has the same idea re the 1861 John with wife Pheobe
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:33H4-QZX

If you click on the John Roberts b 1839 in the tree it will take you to other data including a suggested 1851 census which they think is a John Robert age 12 born in St Chadds Shrewsbury living as a newphew with the Walker family in St Mary, Shrewsbury

I think this John is the son of a Sarah Roberts who is age 30 in 1841 living in St Chadds with children including son John age 1.  In 1851 Sarah Roberts is listed as 40 unmarried and a dressmaker with daughter still living in St Chadds

I think that tree is my original incomplete one from back when I first started, when I copied stuff off Ancestry trees that seemed sensible. :/ Young John is my #16, and the only other person who has him as #16 is my brother, who doesn't do any family history research.

Basically I scrapped my original tree on Ancestry and started again from scratch but doing actual research this time! So take this tree with a huge pinch of salt.

Of course there might well be some good info there which is worth looking into.

Yes - I saw that one and meant to ask if John was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage??

Yes he was.

Very nice thanks

I presume you haven't found Daniel in 1891 either?

No. I have him in 1901 and 1911 living in Poolsbook, Derbys., but not in 1891.

Okay, going back to stuff I definitely know, and working from there.

Young John had 5 children that I know of, all born in Oldbury, Worcs.:
Agnes ROBERTS Oct 1866
John ROBERTS 1869
Eliza ROBERTS 1871
Daniel George ROBERTS 17 Jul 1874
Mary A ROBERTS 1880

Apart from Daniel George (my great great grandfather) I can't find any of them after 1881. Daniel married in Staveley, Derbys. in 1895 so I wonder if the whole family moved to that area at the same time?

Urgh. the whole family (apart from Daniel) seems to have dropped off the face of the earth after 1881.