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RE the 1889 birth cert for William SHERDEN, born at 62 Susan Street, CAMPERDOWN to John aged 22 and a boot maker.

From the Sands 1892 Sydney Suburban Directory for CAMPERDOWN
Susan street – West side
Newtown boundary to University street
56  William PAGE, baker
68 Frederick REES,
64 Wo;;oa, REOD
60 Robert MITCHAEL, van proprietor
62 John PULLEN
66 Reviver hotel, Dougal MCDONGALL
then Brown Street
70 Magnus PHILLIP, bottle dealer
72 William COURTNEY
64 W C  WEBB
76 R GARLICK, fuel merchant
Then Thomas Street
James J LESLIE, butcher

So, I then looked in same directory but for Susan St starting in NEWTOWN and although I found it, there’s NONE surnamed SHERDEN (or variations) and NONE listed as boot makers (or similar).

NEXT I tried Sands 1891 TRADE directory for Sydney 
BOOT and SHOE manufacturers, AND ALAS ….. (need a smilie face at RChat with a foot stamping thingy) …. From Sanderson to Swyny, not a ripple of a Sherden or variation ….

The Sands directories were closed for entries each October, so the 1892 one closed for entries in Oct 1891, and of course the 1891 directory closed for entries in Oct 1890. 


So, I am still searching, and fingers crossed that I will find something tangible soon, and that Irish suggestion from Neil makes a lot of good sense to me .....  ::)

Cheers,  JM

Morning JM,
I hope you’re well. You were a great help before. My search for KIRBY continues. I recall some assistance you offered for the 62 Susan St, Camperdown. Which gave us an unusual result. I thought I might list some other addresses I located on the certificates beneath if time allowed for you to assist ?
1) Residence: Stanley St, Woolloomooloo (KIRBY’s 19/7/1886 MC to READ);
2) Residence: 62 Susan Street, Camperdown (Wm. SHERDEN 28/4/1889 BC);
3) Location of birth: 4 Devonshire St, Sydney (Daughter Alice Morris SHERDEN 4/07/1890 BC);
4) Residence: 3 Yaralla St, Newtown (Daughter Alice Morris SHERDEN 4/07/1890 BC);
5) Residence: 10 Kendall St, Surry Hills (Daughter Alice Morris SHERDEN 20/04/1891 DC).
6) John SHERDEN residence: 24 Pearle St, Newtown (Sands 1892 record).
7) John SHERDEN residence: Leichhardt (1897 marriage certificate to 2nd wife Annie BRADFORD).

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Australia / Re: The mystery of Annie Maria KIRBY (@ READ / SHERDEN)
« on: Monday 23 September 24 19:47 BST (UK)  »
Morning Wivenhoe, what's confusing about this family line, is he re-married another Annie, this son, Jack Morris SHERDEN, relates to the child of John SHERDEN & Annie Maria Tamah SHERDEN nee BRADFORD.


Sydney Morning Herald  21 Jun 1917 p6
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15719713?
SHERDEN 0 June 20 1917, at Lewisham Private Hospital, Jack Morris SHERDEN dearly beloved son of John and Annie, aged 19 years.

NSW BDM
SHERDEN John  ps. John / Annie M     @  Petersham                      5945/1917

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Australia / Re: The mystery of Annie Maria KIRBY (@ READ / SHERDEN)
« on: Sunday 22 September 24 11:52 BST (UK)  »
The details of the MC,
Name: John SHERIDAN
Name: Annie BRADFORD

DATE: 2nd March 1897

Conjugal Status:
JS: Widower
AB: Spinster

Birthplace:
JS: Wickham, Newcastle, NSW
AB: Morri Morri, NSW

Occupation:
JS: Bootmaker
AB: Private Life

Age:
JS: 26
AB: 19

Usual Place of Residence:
Leichhardt (for both)

Parents:
JS: William SHERIDAN (Blacksmith)
Annie MORRISON

AB: John William BRADFORD (Greengrower)
CATHERINE HARTZ

In the presence of: Frederick BRADFORD
Catherine JAGO
….. (Can’t read) BRADFORD.






1272/1897 SHERIDAN     John   marr.  BRADFORD Anne   @ Leichhardt

What is on this document that identifies this man to be widower of Annie Maria?

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Australia / Re: The mystery of Annie Maria KIRBY (@ READ / SHERDEN)
« on: Sunday 22 September 24 11:44 BST (UK)  »
Excellent find on TROVE. I’ve saved them and added them to my family tree. I’ve also ordered the record from NSW records. I’m a little dubious with the Records NSW, as my holdings are for parents listed as, Edward KIRBY & Mary Ann KIRBY nee ROBINSON.

But the talk of prostitution, speaks to dangerous and type of life style she was living..

There are quite a few mentions on trove of Annie KIRBY in trouble with the law from around 1882 (when it was disputed whether she was yet 16 years old).eg:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/238476771  (4th column, near the bottom).

Another case where her mother was in court, though not named:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/107275286

Possible: There is a record for an Annie KIRBY in 1881 at the Training School for Girls Biloela Parramatta Entrance Book. Her parents are named Patrick and Catherine KIRBY, Dargin Street.
https://mhnsw.au/collections/state-archives-collection/

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Australia / Re: The mystery of Annie Maria KIRBY (@ READ / SHERDEN)
« on: Sunday 22 September 24 11:26 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. It’s his Marriage certificate to Annie Maria Tamah BRADFORD.

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Evening researchers, I was very lucky with this one, I was able to do some research on the Manchester Lancashire Family History Society. This located baptism records for, WilliamSHERDEN (18/01/1829) & Bridget SHERDEN (26/09/1830). Thank you for everyone’s help.

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 Good evening researchers, I'm back again, and still researching this mystery. Which remains unsolved. There was some excellent discussion back in 2016 & I really appreciate the efforts of all users. To refresh my story, I'm writing about Annie Maria KIRBY. She was first identified in my family tree as the wife to my G G Grandfather, John SHERDEN b.1866 in Newcastle, NSW. She is identified on the birth certificates of, William John SHERDEN (b.1889 (11991/1889)) & then Alice Morris SHERDEN (b. 1890 (25572/1890)). Alice passed away in 1891, so there's another mention of her then (616/1891). On the BC of Wm. SHERDEN, there is listed marriage of, 29/07/1887 in Sydney (aged 19 YO, born in Sydney) & the BC of Alice SHERDEN lists the marriage of, 27/07/1886 in Sydney (aged 21 YO, born in Sydney).

There was no further mention of Annia Maria KIRBY, until John SHERDEN, remarries in 1897 (1272/1987), where he lists his conjugal status as widower.

Possible updates (I'm keen for your thoughts ?)
- I have located an Annia Maria KIRBY marrying a William Henry READ in 19 Jul. 1886 (1239/1886). I have located the Sydney, Anglican Parish Register record, which lists her birth as NSW, her father as Edward KIRBY and mother as Mary Ann ROBINSON and her age as 21 years of age (I have not been able to locate Edward and Mary's marriage certificate, or any further details involving Edward and Mary.
- I have located a number of criminal records, which may assist with Annie Maria KIRBY, firstly a Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Book record, which lists a Annie KIRBY (ALIAS READ) with an offence listed of, Prostitute & Riotous on the 26 October 1885. Which appears to have been 'disposed of 10 November 1885.
- I then locate a NSW Police Gazette record, dated 11/08/1886, which lists her wanted, in relation to 'deserting her infant male child, aged 6 months'. She is described as, about 20 YO, red cheeks, fair complexion, light sandy hair, one front tooth deficient, dressed in dark clothes and hat.
- I searched for any records connected to approx. Feb. 1886 (which is about six months before the wanted gazette post) via NSW BDM, I have located a birth registration of a William H Sheridan from the 29/02/1886 (which I have confirmed was a leap year). This child's parent's names are, William & Annie, with a Glebe registration (7595/1886).
- I then located another NSW Police Gazette (which pre-dated their wedding) from the 30/06/1886, where Annie READ, was charged, on warrant, with deserting her infant male child, by Detectives CLOUGH and ROCHLAX. Ordered to be taken to the Benevolent Asylum.

I wonder if this marriage to William Henry READ could be connected ?

Lee

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Australia / The mystery of Annie Maria KIRBY (@ READ / SHERDEN)
« on: Sunday 22 September 24 09:45 BST (UK)  »
Good evening researchers, I first posted in 2016 to Rootschat with some interesting insights at the time. I believe I may have some development, but wanted to seek some input from you researchers.
I am a keen researcher of my Grandmother's maiden name, SHERDEN, sometimes spelt SHERIDAN. I've traced this line back to Manchester, UK (been assisted by the MLFS) & possibly ending with an Irish connection.

However, this story is all about the life of Annie Maria KIRBY c1865. She is first identified in my family tree as the wife to my G G Grandfather, John SHERDEN b.1866 in Newcastle, NSW. She is identified on the birth certificates of, William John SHERDEN (b.1889 (11991/1889)) & then Alice Morris SHERDEN (b. 1890 (25572/1890)). Alice passed away in 1891, so there's another mention of her then (616/1891). On the BC of Wm. SHERDEN, there is listed marriage of, 29/07/1887 in Sydney (aged 19 YO, born in Sydney) & the BC of Alice SHERDEN there is a listed marriage of, 27/07/1886 in Sydney (aged 21 YO, born in Sydney).

There was no further mention of Annia Maria KIRBY, until John SHERDEN, remarried in 1897 (1272/1987), where he listed his conjugal status as widower.

Possible updates (I'm keen for your thoughts ?)
- I have located an Annia Maria KIRBY marrying a William Henry READ on the 19 Jul. 1886 (1239/1886). I have located the Sydney, Anglican Parish Register record, which lists her birth as NSW, her father as Edward KIRBY and her mother as Mary Ann ROBINSON and her age as 21 years of age (I have not been able to locate Edward and Mary's marriage certificate, or any further details involving Edward and Mary).
- I have located a number of criminal records, which may assist with Annie Maria KIRBY, firstly a Australia, Gaol Description and Entrance Book record, which lists a Annie KIRBY (ALIAS Annie READ) with an offence listed of, Prostitute & Riotous on the 26 October 1885. Which appears to have been 'disposed of' 10 November 1885.
- I then located a NSW Police Gazette record, dated 11/08/1886, which lists her wanted, in relation to 'deserting her infant male child, aged 6 months'. She is described as, about 20 YO, red cheeks, fair complexion, light sandy hair, one front tooth deficient, dressed in dark clothes and hat.
- I searched for any records connected to approx. Feb. 1886 (which is about six months before the wanted NSW Police Gazette post) via NSW BDM, I did not locate any READ or KIRBY, but interestly I have located a birth registration of a William H SHERIDAN from the 29/02/1886 (which I have confirmed was a leap year). This child's parents' names are, William & Annie, from the district of Glebe registration (7595/1886).
- I located another NSW Police Gazette (which pre-dated their wedding) from the 30/06/1886, where Annie READ, was charged, on warrant, with deserting her infant male child, by Detectives CLOUGH and ROCHLAX. The article indicates she was ordered to be taken to the Benevolent Asylum.

Mysteries:
- What become of Annie Maria KIRBY/SHERDEN/READ ? John SHERDEN, describes himself as a widower in 1897, I cannot find any death registered that is likely to belong to her.
-  What become of William SHERIDAN/READ ? born, 29/02/1886 ?
- What become of William Henry READ ?
- Is there a marriage for Edward READ & Mary Ann ROBINSON ? And where/when did they die ?

Any assistance, would be greatly appreciated :)

Kind Regards,
Lee

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Australia / Re: William DEHON
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 11:52 BST (UK)  »
Good evening, I don’t have much information to help you. But were you able to find any of the answers you were seeking ? I know this family had some twist and turns along the way.

Lee

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